How many times can Khan expect to change boxing styles?

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  1. SomeGuy101

    SomeGuy101 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Every coach brings with him different styles and so far Khan - to my thinking - has had three coaches at least - is this right?

    I don't know about you but I always felt as though boxers who constantly change trainers end up never perfecting themselves under a specific trainer and become the weaker for it. In essence what i'm saying is they learn many different boxing traits but perfect none of them - effectively they're a 'Jack of all trades but master of none'.

    There is also the train of thought where we could say after x many years fighting under a specific trainer it's hard to adapt to another trainer. Khan is around 27 ish and every year he now gets slower and his speed was his strength he was never that good a technician. Can he become a better technician now? Could he make that change when some people take 5 - 10 years to acquire that level of skill - you can't learn it overnight!

    In both cases a boxer 'takes a step back' after changing trainers. Here's some examples:

    Hatton switching trainers and trying to box instead of pressure. terrible results (Manny KO)

    Tyson loosing Rooney switching trainers and again trying to box rather than pressure and when he did try and pressure fight the skills weren't there anymore because he was working from knowledge and not everyday training under rooney.


    It takes years and years of practice under a trainer to reach that trainers stylistic potential. How big a disservice is Khan doing to himself switching and switching over and over again? I'll be honest in my mind I think it's too late at 27 now.....
     
  2. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He'll suck no matter who trains him.

    Low IQ, and no chin are two things that can't be fixed.
     
  3. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    He's not 27. He's 25 I think.

    And he's not looking to completely change his style. Just revert back to what Roach had him doing in the Kotelnik, Malignaggi, etc fights. In addition to that, he's wanting to improve his defence. He's probably made the right decision in wanting to seek someone else (Roach isn't a defensive specialist). It's something he at least has to try, rather than sticking with the same environment in which he has allowed himself to regress. That's not saying Roach is bad for him. Just that he, Khan, needs to move on to the next phase and see what else he can learn. Just a few tweaks and improvements. He's not gonna' complerely forget what Roach has taught him. At 25, I can't see why that would be impossible.
     
  4. fatcity

    fatcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When in doubt,blame the trainer.It is the most used excuse for losers.
     
  5. Earl-hickey

    Earl-hickey Boxing Junkie banned

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    it's not going to happen with Khan.

    The man hasn't got the mental toughness.

    He can't accept the fact that he is A) Fragile, and B) Does NOT punch hard.

    He thinks he's a banger, with decent chin, to go with his speed.

    He Is a guy with blazing fast hands, good jab, decent footspeed, and the ability to move around the ring

    he has average power, weak chin, weak physically, no defence. none, sloppy footwork, poor concentration, poor ring IQ, poor punch variety, no inside game.


    Sorry, nobody is fixing all them flaws.

    If he stays with GBP he will be farmed out to guy's they think actually DO have what it takes, bashed up and out of the sport within 2 years. You already see Oscar laughing at the jokes people make about Khan, he's had enough, Oscar knows.

    His only option is to come home, and manufacture the rest of his career, fighting the Maglinaggi's, Salita's, Kotelnik's of this world.

    Ortiz, Alexander, Bradley, Berto, Matthyse.... forget it

    The guy can't even handle Garcia, who is a tier below those guys despite smashing Khan to bits.


    Sorry, but it's time Khan and his fan's got real.

    I can never see him being a unified champ again. Maybe he can pick up a vacant WBO bauble and defend it against hand picked opposition in Bolton, making decent money and an ok legacy, but he's not going to be a HBO PPV star, P4P guy, ATG or any of that.

    His flaws are innumerable, and Chronic.
     
  6. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Delete - repeat post
     
  7. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    ^^^^ Where has Khan blamed the trainer?

    When Hatton moved on from Graham, were people saying he was blaming Graham for his Mayweather loss? When Paulie moved on from Sherif, were people saying he was blaming Sherif for his loss to Khan? Or how about the numerous times Dawson has switched trainers?

    Sometimes fighters just wanna move on because they wanna' correct the faults within their game. Before Khan even lost to Garcia plenty of people were saying his defense is ****, and that Roach don't know **** about defense. Some even suggested he find a knew coach that could help him in that department. And now that he's lost and doing exactly that, all of sudden he's disloyal and is blaming his trainer?
     
  8. SomeGuy101

    SomeGuy101 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't troll.

    Khan said he wasn't getting the attention from Roach and that he had to travel to wherever Roach was training Manny to train. He also said unless Roach agrees to devote dedicated time to him he will have look for another trainer.

    But you already know this.
     
  9. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    You've taken those comments out of context, whilst ignoring the other things he's said, and twisted them to make it out as though he's attributing full blame on Roach. Especially when, in the same breath, Khan actually says he takes full responsibility for the loss and blames no one else. He's said this.

    Now, in regards to needing a full-time trainer, he's absolutely right. He's got a **** load of flaws and he needs to desperately correct them. Roach, with his illness and other commitments, is spread too thin to help someone like Khan. It's almost impossible for him to give him the attention he needs. All Khan has gone and done is recognised his, and decided to find someone who can help with his shortcomings. <--- That's not him blaming Roach, that's just him moving on, and doing something countless of other fighters in the past have done, and will continue doing in the future if they want to develop themselves.
     
  10. Sergio(e)

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    Hatton didn't try to box Pacquiao!

    :rofl:rofl:lol::lol::patsch

    He pressured in a poor attempt to impose his size and he got sparked out. Pacquiao's all wrong for him and stops any version of him.
     
  11. Prince.

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    27 wow i thought he ws 25... but points made by rico, ts and earl i agree with.

    power - we don't really know how much power he has behind those amateurish flurries since he never sits dwn on them :/

    work in progress.

    many boxers start their pro careers at 25, Khan has accomplished a lot considering all his flaws .
     
  12. Bogotazo

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    The lack of attention from Roach may be a factor, but ultimately, Roach knew what to make a priority in Khan's style. The frame set up in the Kotelnik, Maidana fights, etc. showed him coming along nicely as an outside fighter. Even in the Maidana fight, when he got pinned against the ropes, he started using a bit of shoulder-roll defense, which suggested to me they would have continued improving on ways for him to deal with fighters on the inside. Maybe if Khan chose to have his fights during camps Manny wasn't there, things would be better. If he goes to a new trainer, I hope they continue to develop what he's learned, not try to completely revamp him.
     
  13. Fellonblackdays

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  14. CASH_718

    CASH_718 "You ****ed Healy?" Full Member

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    3 trainers yet Khan still has the same style he had in the amateurs. Khan's style isn't going to change. He us what he is and that's all he'll ever be.
     
  15. Swollen Liver

    Swollen Liver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't know but style wise...he should knock at Emanuel Steward door. This would be the perfect fit for him I think.