LOL The ref shaked him awake? what film were you watching? atsch Marciano gets up at 2, perfectley fine and continues the fight.
Lewis was never down against a top fighter or even in trouble against a top fighter. He was still raw against McCall and should have been able to continue how many times have we seen a champion given the benefit for at least a few seconds look at Wlad's fight with Sanders. His loss to Rahman was through poor training but the fact remains that he lost to two opponents he should not have and really this is also one of the reasons he was able to avenge his losses, this would not have been so easy if he had lost to someone like Vitali, which he almost did, and had tried to avenge that loss.
This is key. In any historical match-up Lewis would be fighting against top fighters. Would he take Marciano lightly? I think not. Would he throw a right hand against the Rock and leave his chin out to dry as he did against McCall? I think not. Lewis was down just twice (three times if you're really picky) in a 14 year professional career, fighting in an era of heavy punchers. Any debate regarding his chin is therefore redundant.
Can you imagine the stick a British heavyweight champion would get if they were down that many times? David Haye gets grief for being down TWICE, and yet people are capable of rationality when talking about Louis.
Suzie Q, what is the condition a boxer has to be, in your opinion, for a ref to stop a heavyweight championship fight? An extensive answer would be appreciated. I'm interested to see what kind of criteria you consider reasonable, plus I'm blatantly setting a trap.
Akinwande never knocked him down, the ref never ruled it as a knock down. "So get your ****ing facts right"
Interesting question. Although Lewis looked to be in pretty bad shape when he was dropped by McCall, I think he could have possibly survived the round. Holmes was knocked senseless against Earnie Shavers, and was fortunate to continue. If I were a referee in both those fights, I would have been a tad more concerned about allowing a fighter to continue against a proven deadly puncher than I would against a McCall type. As for Joe Louis, he did not appear to be that badly hurt from most of the knockdowns that I have witnessed on film. In the instances that he was floored by Walcott, Braddock, B. Baer, and Galento, they seemed to be mostly flash knockdowns or at least ones that did little damage.
The fact is that, back in the 1940s and 1950s, a ref would never work again if he stopped a title fight in the second round after little action when the champion was on his feet. Go back to the legendary Jeanette-McVey scrap: Joe was down 26 times yet still given the chance to get up and win, which he did. Even as late as the 1970s, a ref would have been castrated for stopping Frazier-Foreman II after the first knockdown even though Frazier was in bad shape. Even after four brutal rounds, Frazier was allowed to continue and it was only when his corner intervened that the fight was stopped. If a fan has nu-school standards of when fights should be stopped, then fine, but I'm sure boxing history would be a lot less interesting if such standards had been applied throughout history.
I was at the first fight between McCall and Lewis, i agree that if he were allowed to continue Oliver would have caved him in within a minute... Akinwande did clip Lewis , but it was more off balance and slip as he got himself sorted out , his feet were all caught up with Henry and the ropes.. Briggs caught him coming in but he never even nearly touched down, he just swayed against the ropes.. One of Lewis's more tougher nights that i went to see was in Uncassville against Mavrovic........... That was a very tough night, I watched Maloney bite his nails all night..
Based on what? The fact is, we'll never know, because the fight was stopped. As this thread has proven, it was a controversial stoppage.