How many years has it been since Joshua defeated a top 10 opponent?

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think they deserved a spot either tbh. Sanchez's win over ajagba was overblown, yoka is trash. Anderson is just lol, maybe if he beats Bakole. Man is this really the division ?

    Ruiz, Hunter, Joyce have a better argument for me. Nothing recent sure but better resumes
     
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    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Fury deserves every bit of hate and bashing that's coming his way. If the bashing were ten times worse, it still wouldn't be enough.

    Fury has caused so much damage to boxing that the Klitschko era now seems like a golden age in comparison. With all the drama, back and forth, messing about, cherry-picking, Mickey Mouse fights, lies, and contradictions, Fury has damaged boxing more than any other heavyweight before him. There have been more erratic characters outside the ring, guys going to prison and whatnot, but no other champion's actions and decisions have made heavyweight boxing—and by extension, boxing in general—look as bad as Fury's have. Tyson Fury is a cancer to boxing, and if you complain about him getting bashed too much, you are still defending the indefensible. I don't care about him; I care about boxing, and his behavior and decisions have made him the enemy of boxing. He is fair game to be roasted until the day he retires.
     
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    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'll give you Joyce (though he had just taken back-to-back Ls in 2023), but Hunter trashed his own resume with those performances on the bin man circuit. Ruiz is a difficult one, I suppose it depends on whether you think fighters should be dropped if they don't fight in a year, and don't have a fight in place. Ortiz was cooked. Whyte was clearly taking a PED ban on the quiet. So, Wallin slots into the bottom half quite easily.

    Besides, it's been a looooong time since the top 10 was made up exclusively of killers. There just weren't the candidates with a case to be above Wallin in a top 10 back then.

    Like I would be interested to hear who the 10 fighters were in late 2023 that would put Wallin at 11 or below.
     
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    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Personally wouldn't change anything until the new fighters gain a better resume, or maybe said top 10 hasn't done anything at all in like 4 years, or loses to bad opposition.
     
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    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, fair enough. For me, I think there is no excuse for 18 months of inactivity. It is literally their job to box.

    Looking back at the landscape. We had a solid enough top 5 names of active guys:
    Fury, Usyk, Zhang, Joshua, Wilder

    Following that the guys with a case:
    maybe Ruiz - he was a year inactive without a fight lined up
    maybe Joyce - he just took back-to-back brutal losses
    maybe Hrgovic - he was padding his record after a controversial win over (at the time unranked) Zhang
    maybe Parker - he was rebuilding, again

    Guys without a case:
    Bakole? the Yoka win in '22 did not age well at all ("trash")
    Sanchez? the Ajagba win was getting long in the tooth ("overblown")
    Anderson? looked shakey against C. Martin ("lol")
    Hunter? 2019 wants its rankings back. The guy was lucky to exit 2021 with a draw
    Whyte? Just popped for PEDS
    Ortiz? Cooked and inactive. What is better, a competitive loss to Ruiz or a competitive loss to Fury? He can't live off beating Jennings forever

    Wallin - just beat Gassiev with relative ease, had the wide win over Breazeale, controversial loss to Fury, generally avoided. Big, long, well-schooled, prime, south-paw.

    To me Wallin was a lock for the top 10 back end of 2023. I think the general rankings reflect that.
     
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    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I personally don't see the gassiev win at heavyweight being something that definitely gets him the spot over the others, Gassiev still has so much to prove at heavy. Breazeale was trash, inactive, and retired after. Cmon, he was never any good, terrible even. Ajagba, old Martin, Merhy, Bakole, would current Gassiev beat them ? Maybe but I wouldn't be confident, actually I would 100% favor Ajagba to stop him.

    If you wanna put him on ajs resume go ahead I'm not gonna really argue it anymore and leave you to your perspective, but he didn't really do anything, I don't think It's a good win.
     
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    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I mean, I feel the same way on Breazeale. But actually, I suspect that version of Breazeale still likely has too much for the likes of Ajagba. I think Ajagba is an awful fighter, who benefits heavily from promotional bias, same as Anderson has done.

    But sure, our perspectives are our own. But ultimately, it isn't about who I want to put on Joshua's resume. Wallin was top 10. The rankings of the time are black and white on that.

    Good chat
     
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    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah a top 10 with no notable wins who left the rankings in less than a year how impressive, Ajagba drops prime Breazeale.
     
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    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In order for Wallin to be top 10 you'd need to rank him over:

    Dubois - Accomplished more at HW than Wallin
    Undefeated Sanchez - the Ajagba win alone is better than anything Wallin will ever do
    Undefeated Anderson - the bums he's bashed are of far higher quality than Wallin's. More natural ability, would destroy Wallin
    Whyte - No one cares about PED's, still clearly a top 10 fighter
    Ortiz - Accomplished more at HW than Wallin ever will. Far more skilled southpaw
    Kabayel - If you dig into his resume it's actually underrated and certainly better than Wallin's

    I wouldn't have ranked Wallin above ONE of these guys 6 months ago, and in order for Wallin to have been top 10, you'd need to rank him clearly above ALL of them. Absurd stuff.
     
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    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lol what? December 2023:

    Dubois - ???
    Absolute robbery against Lerena, followed by a quit job against Usyk. He was no where near the top 10 in the run up to Day of Reckoning.

    Kabayel - ???
    Same as above. His win against Makhmudov coming on the same card.

    Whyte - ???
    I'm one of his few fans on here, but to still have him top 10 is a massive reach

    Ortiz - ???
    As above


    You clearly know your boxing
     
  11. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Yeah they talk absolutely sh.te
    They think 41 year old wlad was better,because he threw more and was more aggressive

    There's a reason for that. The reason is simply, that Fury was much better than Aj and wlad couldn't figure him out

    The amount of mental gymnastics they come out with to down play Fury v usyk is laughable
    Fury lost the fight but he had usyk in pretty serious trouble mid rounds and Gave usyk a much tougher fight

    Oh, but Aj did better vs a pair of bums like wallin and Ngannou, so he must be better? Lol

    Fury also doesn't have a devastating tko loss to a fat guy straight from McDonald's with no camp
     
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    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    You make some fair points
    Funny I never see you calling out certain posters who bash Fury (and others) continuously, much more than the Op

    Wonder why?
     
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    Going into the Joshua/Wallin fight, Wallin was coming off a fairly good win Gassiev. Ortiz hadn't even fought for well over a year since losing to Wilder the second time and Whyte was coming off a robbery win over Franklin after getting KO'd by Fury. On December the 23rd Wallin was certainly above them two at least.

    Oh and P.S., who did better against Fury, Whyte or Wallin? Oh yeah, Wallin that's who.
     
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  14. Dynamicpuncher

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    Did you see Page 2 of this thread ? Did you not see where I posted where this poster has consistently posted the same thread asking the same question over and over ?

    Again you're missing the point it's not the fact he dislikes Joshua it's the fact hes consistently making the same thread asking the same question. It's not a genuine question by him its trolling, its baiting, do you understand now ?
     
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  15. hobby rider

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    Looks like @miniq finally has some competition from @AdamT and @Slyk.

    Whoever has the longest tongue will get the furthest I guess.