How many years has it been since Joshua defeated a top 10 opponent?

Just a final note, your arguments are getting increasingly erratic here.

And I like how you are also ignoring the 20+ low blows over three rounds from Ajaba against Kossobutskiy. You know that might might be why the DQ didn't push him up the rankings prior to December 2023.

But hey we if rankings suddenly matter to you... Then there is no argument about whether or not Wallin was top 10.

• The journalistic class gave him a top 10 ranking with The Ring and TBRB (even being as high as #5).
• For the orgs he had a top 10 ranking with WBC and IBF
• If you want a media ranking, ESPN had him at #10
• Looking to fan concensus, even the Boxrec Forum rankings had him #9. Which tells me the average (I'll say interested) fans recognized him as such.

Now you could say the everything from about #7 down is pony and much or a muchness, but that is a different thing all together.

Wallin was the definition of top 10.

Enjoy

 

Honestly, I’ve probably watched it at least five times since then. It’s definitely an easy watch, good enough acting and effects, and good story.

 

I'll show you mine, if you show me yours.
I have work now, but I can post it later easy enough.

Well clearly boxing's ranking creators feel differently

 

Somebody inquired earlier ( @catchwtboxing I think): How many years since you been with a woman?
I think catchwtboxing was off the mark there.
I'm guessing you might BE a female.
Not a woman though...more likely a 13 or 14 year old girl.
The evidence for this is your constant "laughing-out-loud" (lol-ing).
This is a common trait in silly, giggly teenage girls.

Actually, you are wrong again there Slyk.
Quite a few do.

But that's not the issue here.

You scoffed at the idea that the TNBR was highly respected.

Fact is, the Transnational Boxing Rankings Board is a highly respected ranking organization consisting of fifty or so, accomplished and well respected boxing journalists, authors, commentators etc, who work or have worked for, among others...

Associated Press, USA Today, The Ring, Australian Boxing Legends Magazine, Sky Sports, ESPN, Boxing Monthly, The Bleacher Report, Boxing News, DogHouse Boxing, Boxing.com, The Sweet Science, Boxing Japan, MaxBoxing, The Washington Post, RingTV.com, Boxrec.com,The13thRound.com, The Wall Street Journal, Fox Sports, TheBoxingvoice.com, Esquina Boxeo, La Dulce Ciencia Ediciones, Fight News, Revista La Pelea,TheBoxingDiary.com, SkyNews Australia, Pound4Pound.com,

These members represent, Argentina, Australia, Canada, Chile, Costa Rica, England, India, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Mexico, New Zealand, Norway, the Philippines, Russia, Scotland, Spain, Sweden, Thailand, the United States, Vietnam, and the commonwealth of Puerto Rico.

Between them, they have written dozens of books on boxing and boxers.

Combined, they have closely followed and written / commentated on boxing for between 500 and 1200 years.

Most of them have won awards for their work. Many of them are in various Halls of Fame.

The least knowledgeable of that group has probably forgotten more about boxing than you will ever know. Taken together, those fifty have a lot more credibility and respect than some random poster on here who posts hate-threads over and over about AJ and possibly others as well.

If you read the responses to your drivel in this thread, that should tell you how much about your own standing on here.

Now why don't you quit being a trolling pest, and try reading some posts of what the more knowledgeable posters on here...Rumsfield, IntentionalButt, McGrain, PimpC, Robney CST80, Kirk, JohnThomas1, etc

 

Joshua is great at feasting on bums and fighting for vacant titles.

 

this is where you are getting yourself all mixed up
You mentioned Joshua hadn't any top wins for


Ortiz defeated a former champ and had a shootout with Joshua conqueror Ruiz, proving his level.
Kabayel has a lot of underrated wins over lesser known fighters
Ajagba defeated Kossobutskiy which is a better win than Gassiev
Dubois' club level wins combined are better than Gassiev
Sanchez defeating Ajagba is CLEARLY better than Gassiev - he was not rated above Wallin per pay to play Ring Mag.
Anderson's body of work is also better, again, than a SD win over a cruiserweight

This is what was actually done and not speculation. Speculation is giving someone a ranking based on a LOSS when a huge cut was involved.[/QUOTE]

 

this is where you are getting yourself all mixed up
You mentioned Joshua hadn't what you call any top wins for a while, but are rating Whyte at a time where he had lost to Povetkin, beat Povetkin and then lost badly to Fury
Now you are starting to understand that rankings can be for a body of work as well as good form or wins
Only problem is, you are only grasping it when looking to suit an agenda

the former champ being Martin who is on Joshua's bond of work.
If you look at it this way, Joshua Beat Martin in a couple of rounds and had a tougher fight with Breazeale after who Wallin beat.

Can you list the top 5?
Remember this was before he beat makmudov.
I recall the Chisora fight years previously. What were the other top 4 above Gassiev and Breazeale?
This will be good

Based on?
Your opinion?
Which we know is very agenda ridden

Lust them and explain
Do consider he also has lost to Joyce and lost to Usyk at the time which would likely have dropped him down the rankings

Can't say if he was or wasn't. Thought he was but could be wrong

what body of work?
How was his body of work better than Wallin at that time?
See this is where you are so easy to school
You are trying to use body of work to suit one argument and one individual win for another

I'd forgotten what ESB was like lol

not sure what on earth you are talking about here?
I said Otto had given Fury a tough fight and nothing more other than that was his only loss and from then gone on to beat gassiev and Breazeale

Seems being agenda ridden has pwned your very own argument haha

 

That's kind of how I see it
Nothing special, but a bit of fun

 

I suppose his last victory against top 10 was Ruiz 4.5 years ago. Shocking to think about but I think you gotta remember Covid spaced out his fights a lot.

Covid 19 spaced out his fights to once per year for 3 years, pulev, usyk x2.

If Joshua hadn't have fought Usyk he'd have been fighting better opponents and probably beating them.

To his credit he's fought 4 decent opponents since then and well beaten them.

Fury's last decent win was Wilder almost 3 years ago now, unless you consider shot Whyte a top 10 win?

 

I can't help but notice that's a list of names short of ten. Pretty sure you need ten names to suggest a "Where does Wallin fit" style proposition.

Yeah, all ratings are for sale. Some are even meant to be for sale and for whatever reason those are the most respected ratings.

The purpose of Ring mag is a platform to sell ratings with. 100% its reason for existence. They tend to list the names people like to see.

Bodies, not so much. Sure, you can point out McNugget, but for every Connor there is a Ruiz. ... Also, was McNugget rated? By a body? I am honestly asking, I do not recall a rating myself.

If you are not very entertaining, don't have huge backing, and can't get a social media presence you can still make you way up the rankings, because bodies doe.


You can't tell me "Dem ratings for sale doe" as justification for Martin and Glaz fighting the IBF. Neither high profile, neither hugely entertaining, neither had a fanbase nor the potential to build one larger than the one already there in Joshua. Joshua wasn't even Martin's mando, it was a vol. Because bodies allowed for Martin to make his way up the ratings while guys like yourself and orgs like Ring cried about it.


Up to fans like you to hold the bodies accountable but also that accountability just happens to go hand-in-hand with marketability and never once is there ever any movement to secure a lack luster entertainer's position based on boxing merit alone. That is uniquely a body operation.

 

Anthony Joshua:

Charles Martin (9)
Wlad Klitschko (1)
Joseph Parker (3)
Alexander Povetkin (3)
Andy Ruiz (unranked) -L
Andy Ruiz (3)
Kubrat Pulev (10)
Oleksandr Usyk (unranked) -L
Oleksandr Usyk (1) -L
Otto Wallin (10)

He's obviously fought people who have been ranked at other points such as Whyte, Brezeale, Molina, Takam, Helenius.

 

As requested @Slyk , here is my top 15 from the run up to Day of Reckoning (2023/12/22). Curious to see yours...


1. Usyk (WWW: Joshua, Joshua, Dubois)
2. Fury (WWW: Whyte, Chisora, Ngannou*)
3. Zhang (LWW: Hrgovic*, Joyce, Joyce)
4. Joshua (LWW Usyk, Franklin, Helenius)
5. Wilder*** (LLW Fury, Fury, Helenius)
6. Hrgovic (WWW: Ahmatovic, Zhang*, Kean)
7. Bakole (WWW: Yoka, Shevadzudutski, Takkam)
8. Wallin (WWW: Booker, Alguin, Gassiev)
9. Sanchez (WWW: Negron, Martz, Alexander)
10. Joyce (WLL: Parker, Zhang, Zhang)
11. Parker (WWW: Massey, Opelu, Kean)
12. Ajagba (WWW: Shaw, Kossobutskiy**, Goodall)
13. Anderson (WWW: Arias, Martin, Rudenko)
14. Mahkmudov (WWW: Wallisch, Akpejiori, Wright)
15. Dubois (WWL: Bryan, Lerena**, Usyk)

Notable exclusions
Ruiz #6 (inactive 2022/09 - LWW: Joshua, Areola, Ortiz)
Whyte #8 (drugs ban - WLW: Povetkin, Fury, Franklin)
Ortiz #13 (inactive 2022/09 - WWL: Flores, Martin, Ruiz)

Considered but left out
Kabayel (WWW: Johnson, Sour, Smakici)
Wardley (WWW: Gorman, Coffee, Adeleye)
Ngannou (L: Fury*)

Notes:
Spots 14 and 15 I don't feel particularly strongly about. While I did actually favour Kabayel to beat Mahkmudov, ultimately Kabayel was fighting the likes of Kevin Johnson, so his career was regressing. It was probably a bit early for Wardley, though he was British champion. And I put the Ngannou performance more down to Fury being an ass.

*Controversial
**Open corruption
***Technically Wilder was 12 months inactive, but he was scheduled for Day of Reckoning card so I included him in the rankings.

 

Nothing special about that list
Only reason ruiz was ranked, was because he whipped him previous

Parker was a great win and wlad still very good. Old Povetkin was also good. His resume kind of sucks and it just shows the level of the era.

Furys resume also sucks, I have been very vocal about that too. However, there appears to be a vocal crowd believing that Aj has some mythical resume, because he defended his title against bums repeatably

Take old wlad/povetkin and parker out, then his wins are not above Chisora or whyte level.