How meaningful would a Pavlik victory over Floyd be?

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  1. Farmboxer

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    Roach said that Void should have waited and signed to fight Pac.
     
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  2. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hatton wasn't ready to fight Floyd in the USA. He would have taken the fight in Manchester where Dave Parris and Mickey Vann would have held Floyd's arms down while Hatton tackled him.

    You are a poor arguerer and I find it tedious. You keep rattling off these silly statements that I never made that you make up and try to get me to defend them, statements I never made. This is called straw man arguing.

    Anyways, you admitted Marquez is at a disadvantage so it follows you understand a win here isn't necessarily a Pound for Pound level accomplishment, or at least you should.

    Hatton said himself he does't fight better with added weight above 140 and in fact is less effective bigger.

    I give Floyd credit for barely getting the contoversial SD win over a faded DLH and I give him credit for giving Baldo a wide berth and lots of respect but managing to win 11 rounds. But he still never faced the prime winning welters of his era. Or junior welters. Hatton at 147 aint the same as 140 no matter how you slice it.
     
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  3. eze

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    I never said they were the same size, I said similar in size. I know Floyd is bigger but you are STILL making him out to be like he's Paul Williams size.

    Floyd has advantage yes but again you act like this new to boxing.

    Im not claiming this fight for Floyd to be a great accomplishment. It would be a good win, nothing more.
     
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  4. eze

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    I never said you said anything. Now you are putting words in my mouth.

    Hatton's own father said they weren't ready for Floyd. Not the USA but Floyd.

    A win over Marquez is a good win, not great but good.

    Hatton used it as an excuse when he lost to Floyd.

    Hatton weighed 160 against Collazo. When he fought Floyd he weighed 154. When Hatton fought Paulie, he weighed 152. Hatton has also weighed 154 for his jr WWs fighters.

    And the best part is, Hatton when he actually weighs in at 140 still outweighs Floyd on fight night.

    Barely getting? Please, you know that was a clear UD for Floyd over DLH.

    Baldomir beat and became the Lineal Champ. Tell Cotto beat a current champion. Tell Mosley to accept a fight. Margo? Margo was offered a fight from Floyd and turned it down. Later after Mayweather bought himself out of Arum, Arum offered Floyd a fight with Margo but he turned it down because Arum was offering 8 million against Margo and 6 million against Hatton, Cotto, Mosley all bigger threats to Mayweather than Margo. Arum also said the DLH fight was out of the question.

    I guess Floyd proved Arum wrong.
     
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  5. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Where did I say its like PW? Stop with the straw man arguments and address what I write not what you imagine I wrote. And you still never answered my comparison of Pac/Lopez Pac/Gamboa Pac/Linares.

    Now when Floyd fans
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  6. eze

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    You haven't directly said it but the way you make this disadvantage seem as if Floyd is Paul Williams size. You act like this never happens in boxing.

    If JMM is fine with fighting Floyd at 144 then deal with it. Obviously he feels he can beat Floyd at 144.

    No Floyd fan thinks this is monumental accomplishment.
     
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  7. Stovepipe

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    Well I think its a tribute to your respect for my statements that you cannot directly respond to them and instead are forced to manufacture easier, more debatable ones that you are more comfortable attacking like the ones I put in pink above.

    Who said JMM is fine with the weight? He has no choice. He wants the big payday and he is taking a huge risk, unlike Floyd, who is taking a much smaller risk.
     
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  8. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol: this is why your post are laughable.


    Who says JMM is fine with the weight? Clearly he is because signed for the fight at that weight.


    Also - he is taking a huge risk.

    Oh no, JMM is taking a huge risk. DAmn that Floyd! Why didn't he fight Williams after 18months off of boxing. What a ****ing *******!

    Poor JMM and his huge risk. ****. I mean, risk aren't even part of boxing.

    **** Floyd and making fighters who challenge him take risk!
     
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  9. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ever heard of a fighter signing for a fight and surrendering terms to secure the fight? Just because he signs it doesn't mean he likes all of the terms. There are things called concessions, look it up.

    You are in love with your stupid PW comparison which I never made, yet won't respond to the statement that I did make re Pac vs guys his own size from much smaller weight classes.

    Anyways, its over. Keep on making your wack ass PW comparisons and pretending its something I said but anybody can read this thread and see you got raped and even conceded both of my main points which were 1)Floyd has a significant advantage and 2) A victory over JMM at 144 is not a major pound for pound level victory
     
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  10. eze

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    I never succeeded that Floyd has a significant advantage. I said it's an advantage. You are making it out to be an advantage that doesn't happen all the time in boxing.

    **** it happens in peoples own weight classes.

    Anyone who's not a Floyd hater will see you got stomped in this thread. Clearly you have a bias against Floyd, which is understand. He probably whooped on one of your favorite fighters and can't stand seeing him succeed.


    Let me ask you this, who do you want Floyd to fight instead of JMM in July?
     
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  12. Stovepipe

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    You mean conceded not succeeded you ignorant uneducated fool. Again with the straw man arguments which I will continue to pink. Now you have moved into ad hominem attacks (in yellow), again to skirt the issue.

    You still haven't answered my Pac comparison. Are you going to tell me that Pac would not have a significant advantage over the top guys at lower weight classes that are the same frame as his or bigger?

    So if you think FMJ does not have a significant advantage due to the nine pounds than you are truly a moron. This isn't something like getting a ring a foot bigger or smaller, or the fight in your preferred time zone, or a ref a bit more to your liking, all advantageous, this is bigger than that.
     
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  13. Hatesrats

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  14. eze

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    Wrong use of words after a couple beers make me ignorant. I love it.


    Answer my question and then I'll answer yours.

    To the bold part - JMM weighs 141 on fight night while Floyd weighs 147-149.

    6-8lb advantage.

    If everything worked like this, why aren't you screaming Floyd was able to beat despite such huge disadvantages? Floyd would be a top 5 ATG by those standards. :lol: :patsch
     
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  15. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    It's not about Pavlik at all bro.. check it out.
    (They are going at it Toe to Toe Floyd weight talk...)

    "It's
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