How meaningful would a Pavlik victory over Floyd be?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Stovepipe, May 18, 2009.


Page 4 of 8
  1. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,873
    60
    Feb 1, 2007
    Yeah, genius that is the kind of mistake one makes from drinking :rofl, drinking and being a dumb ass that is. You need to quit drinking if your brain gets that soft after a few simple beers. What you weigh in at is just as significant and sometimes much more so than what you weigh on fight night.
    By failing to address my questions and repeatedly skirting the issue you have succeeded :huh er conceded.
     
    Stovepipe, May 19, 2009
    Stovepipe, May 19, 2009
    #46
  2. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

    45,885
    3
    Aug 7, 2004
    Didn't we already agree on this point? :lol:

    Who do you want Floyd to fight in July instead of JMM?
     
    eze, May 19, 2009
    eze, May 19, 2009
    #47
  3. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

    45,885
    3
    Aug 7, 2004

    It's 1:30. I've had a long day. Mix that in with a few beers, **** happens. Of course it's quite funny you think your petty insults affect me.




    How does it matter more? The only time it would matter is if someone cuts too much or is struggling the make the weight.

    Petty insults yet again. :lol:

    I answered your question since you can't seem to answer a simple question.
     
    eze, May 19, 2009
    eze, May 19, 2009
    #48
  4. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,873
    60
    Feb 1, 2007

    OK so lets review. You don't think Floyd has a significant advantage over JMM because of Floyd's fight night weight being only eight pounds more. :patsch

    What does JuanMa weigh on fight night? He is very big for 122. What did Pac weigh for Hatton? 138? JuanMa has the bigger frame, he is taller and has longer reach. But any moron knows forcing JuanMa to move up to 140 right now would still give Pac a significant advantage.

    Why aren't you factoring in that all of the guys Marquez has faced have had to weigh in at 135 or 130 recently?

    HOw come you are jumping back to fight night weights and then size and when I shoot one down you run back to the other. Again, Mayorga outweighed Pavlik on fight night and nobody is going to say that is a fair fight.

    You can talk about Marquez's fight night weights at 135 but everyone but a
    This content is protected
    knows that Marquez is stretched to the limit at 135 and even now could make 130, but he is chasing huge money fights and making a sacrifice which you choose to ignore and pretend that he likes the idea of 144 simply because he signed for it.

    Keep talking dummeze and advertise your ignorance to the whole board. Keep telling me that Floyd does not have a significant size advantage in this fight. Why do you think they were fighting so hard over the contracted weight?? For shits and giggles?

    Your argument has gotten softer and sillier as we have moved on. Eventually you will tell me that you were "just trying to get me riled up" as a way to save face since you have been embarassed.

    This content is protected
    . Good luck with that. Keep it coming. Keep trying to defend that. :-(
     
    Stovepipe, May 19, 2009
    Stovepipe, May 19, 2009
    #49
  5. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

    45,885
    3
    Aug 7, 2004
    If 8lbs is so important to you why aren't you making threads about why the the heavyweight division is unfair.

    Or why Cotto or Mosley have such a huge disadvantage over Floyd at 147 because they weigh more than him on fight night.


    no clue what JuanMa weighs.

    Pac weighed 148 against Hatton.



    What?

    Because they go together. Not apart.


    He obviously has to like it in some form of fashion but he seems like a smart guy. No one's going to press there luck so far unless they were going to get one last fight. It's not like Leijas against Gatti. where Leijas was getting his last payday. Marquez still has many paydays ahead of him.

    Stop thinking because Marquez moves up in weight that he has to actually bulk up to fight Floyd. Sure if he wanted to campaign there he would need to bulk a little but not for Floyd who should be fighting at 140.


    Why don't you complain about other weights in other fights, you have a hard on for Floyd and his weight advantage. Where is this cry for the heavyweights who are outweighed by the Klitschkos. Where are the cries for Floyd when people want him to fight against Mosley or Cotto or Williams who all outweigh him by 10+ lbs.


    My argument has gotten softer because you can't seem to grasp anything I say. You want to change subjects because one doesn't work for you so you move onto the next.

    Again, if this advantage is so big, why aren't you making threads about Cotto and Mosley wanting to fight Pac or Floyd and the weight they would give up?

    Why aren't you making threads about the heavyweights who are outweighed drastically by their opponents?

    Until you show me you've made these threads you clearly don't care about this issue but only for the fact that it is Floyd that is in this situation.
     
    eze, May 19, 2009
    eze, May 19, 2009
    #50
  6. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,873
    60
    Feb 1, 2007
    Another point is that everyone said Juan Diaz had the advantage due to his size, over JMM, and it was an advantage. How can Floyd not have the advantage, its absurd to think he does not.
     
    Stovepipe, May 19, 2009
    Stovepipe, May 19, 2009
    #51
  7. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

    45,885
    3
    Aug 7, 2004
    I never said he didn't. :lol: :patsch
     
    eze, May 19, 2009
    eze, May 19, 2009
    #52
  8. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,873
    60
    Feb 1, 2007
    :patsch complete failure. you not only ignore my questions but now you are parroting my statements about you rather than respond. All those thousands of posts and you can't argue worth a damn.
     
    Stovepipe, May 19, 2009
    Stovepipe, May 19, 2009
    #53
  9. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,873
    60
    Feb 1, 2007

    You claim that Floyd's advantage is insignificant. Or to be exact, you agreed he had an advantage but you pointed out that you never agreed it was a significant advantage, therefore, you think Floyd's weight advantage is not significant, or, insignificant.

    Are you now choosing to wishy wash your marsh mellow ass back into the significant side again?
     
    Stovepipe, May 19, 2009
    Stovepipe, May 19, 2009
    #54
  10. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

    45,885
    3
    Aug 7, 2004

    So you lie, then correct your lie in the same post.:lol:

    It's an advantage but it's not significant to the point where it decides the whole outcome of the fight.

    No matter the weight, Floyd is beating Marquez because he is better.
     
    eze, May 19, 2009
    eze, May 19, 2009
    #55
  11. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

    45,885
    3
    Aug 7, 2004
    Figures this type of post would come from someone who is getting owned in their own thread.

    You didn't answer one of my 10 questions so Im not going to respond and come up with some lame excuse! :lol:

    /endthread
     
    eze, May 19, 2009
    eze, May 19, 2009
    #56
  12. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

    45,885
    3
    Aug 7, 2004
    Also I answered your question and you have yet to answer mine.

    Who do you prefer Floyd to fight in July beside JMM?
     
    eze, May 19, 2009
    eze, May 19, 2009
    #57
  13. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,873
    60
    Feb 1, 2007
    Another thing you fail to understand, is that weight that is put on in the last twenty four hours after weigh in isn't the same thing as never having to lose that weight. Mayweather will weight in at 144 or extremely close and fill out every ounce of it and than even more weight on fight night. A big guy like Juan Diaz was for the weight at 135 still had to make 135 the day before. That takes its toll on guys that like to blow up after making weight. Mayweather's frame is far more suited to 144 than JMM's frame.

    How close to 144 will JMM want to go? How much speed will he lose?
    Pac was having weight troubles at 130 and 135. JMM was not. And JMM was already mid thirties when it gets especially hard for many to make the same weights they had traditionally, which for JMM was 126 anyways.

    It is possible that JMM moves up and pulls the upset at beats Mayweather. However, the significant advantage is Mayweather's.

    Just because Mayweather doesn't blow up like other fighters it does not mean he doesn't have a significant advantage.

    135 already is a heavy weight for Marquez which you still have failed to factor in.
     
    Stovepipe, May 19, 2009
    Stovepipe, May 19, 2009
    #58
  14. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,873
    60
    Feb 1, 2007
    dummeze :patsch
    I never said it would decide the whole outcome of the fight, however, it is a significant advantage. It certainly could become a huge factor in the outcome of the fight.
     
    Stovepipe, May 19, 2009
    Stovepipe, May 19, 2009
    #59
  15. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,873
    60
    Feb 1, 2007
    dummeze anyone can go back and count the questions posed and responded to and when they were posed.

    you lose
     
    Stovepipe, May 19, 2009
    Stovepipe, May 19, 2009
    #60
Page 4 of 8