How meaningful would a Pavlik victory over Floyd be?

You imply here that it is significant to a point, by your language, however, earlier you backed away from that. Daffy duck wishy washy....

Its a major and significant advantage. Is any thing less than your dumb ass idea of Paul Wililams vs Juan Manuel Marquez not worth pointing out?

Keep responding. You lost.

I love it. You don't even know what the hell you are arguing anymore because you admitted its significant again, above, betrayed by your own words.

You just want to win but you have no point to make and are arguing about nothing. Two points: 1) Mayweather has a significant size advantage 2) A FMJ victory is not of major pound for pound significance.

You already admitted both points. :good

 

I am so stupid that you have already agreed with both my points. What can you do though? You aren't a big enough person to simply state, you know something? You're right. But I got it out of you anyways. :yep

 

And a fighter who has to rehydrate up to a certain weight isn't the same thing as a fighter who never had to lose the weight in the first place. If a fighter has to cut down to 135, even when he regains weight back up to 148 it isn't the same thing as a guy who goes from 144 to 148. The 144 guy is generally going to be much more solid and less fatigued all other things being equal.


You are choosing to ignore the fact that Marquez is a small lightweight being forced to move up nine more pounds from a weight he is already small at. You are choosing to ignore the fact that the contract weight was a significant issue in negotiations and you have failed to address as to why this may be - obviously because it is of major significance.

You must be laughing at how dumb your argument is. It is quite possible that because JMM is such an outstanding talent that he is still a competitive and even winning fighter at 144 even agaisnt Mayweather, although he is clearly the underdog. The reason he is a couple of pounds of 144 already is because he moved up to lightweight to chase another Pacquiao fight, just because he fights at lightweight it doesn't make it his best fighting weight. Just because he weights in on fightnight for godsake at 141 for a fight at 135 that doesn't mean he is realistically going to be competitive vs guys at 140 or 144 or 147.

You are choosing to ignore how crucial making weight actually is in a fight, which is great, everyone can read this and see how stupid you are.

We don't know how JMM is going to deal with the punches of a guy who gets to weigh in nine pounds heavier than any man he has ever faced. It is a significant advantage.

Because Juan is a big lightweight and most everyone agreed that Juan had a weight / size advantage, many thought he would charge through the smaller framed JMM, and to a degree he did do that. Juan's weight / size advantage was significant at 135 and your dumb ass is trying to tell me Mayweather's isn't at 144.

Marquez is already beating people that are naturally bigger than him at 135. Now he is being asked to crank it up another two divisions.

Get it thru your thin brained thick skull. Fighting a guy that gets to weigh in at 144 and will enjoy using every ounce of that 144 pounds is far from fighting guys that have to cut down to 135 pounds. There is a reason we have weight divisions.

This whole why aren't you making threads stuff is ******ed and a desperate attempt to run away from the issue. And coming from someone that still can't answer the questions I posed about Pacquiao fighting smaller fighters, its especially ******ed. Also you have failed to answer why the contracted weight was so significant to both fighters if it isn't a huge advantage.

Marquez weights 144 now? How long until you make him a full fledged welterweight? :rofl

At most any weight in the modern era both fighters gain a few pounds and many more than a few after the weigh in. Floyd being the bigger framed, bigger person, clearly has the size advantage, and this size advantage has been compounded by the fact that Floyd is forcing the fight at 144 against a guy who has only fought guys that had to weigh in at most, at 135, a weight that is already a bit of a stretch for JMM.

To site the fact that JMM weighed 141 on a fight night is absurd. He is bulking up to compete at a higher weight of 135 and you try and use that information to say, well, it isn't much of a stretch to meet Mayweather, but it clearly is.

To use a more exaggerated example, Mayorga coming in at 180 doesn't make him a cruiserweight or a light heavy it means he bulked up to try and gain an advantage.

Well at least I am giving you an English lesson as you parrot my use of the language and its phrases. I take that as a complement. Back to the "I didn't see you making threads" argument. That is some weak sauce.

Floyd is a small welterweight but JMM is a small lightweight. Try as you might you cannot get around this.

 

It carries the implication of being a flip flopper or trying to have it both ways.

Your only defense is one of semantics now. I call it significant and you say, no it is "taking a risk, taking a chance" if he is taking a risk than that right there is significant.

You said its not significant to the point of.....which implies significance to a point, your problem again is one of semantics. You admit it is an advantage but as a

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your goal is to downplay this advantage.

This is a big jump and a big disadvantage for Juan but as a

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you can't acknowledge that.

 

Answer me this question:
How do the answers to any of those questions carry any relevance to the question of significance of weight advantage in this fight? They do not.


Here is a question for you that relates directly to this thread though. You claim since Marquez has weighed 141 that its no big deal to fight Floyd at 144. So how come, if Marquez chose to move up to 140 and campaign there, there would be a whole slew of folks saying no no no its too much? Why would people think it to be so risky? The answer of course is because it is, because fighting guys at higher weights is riskier........this is so elementary:verysad