How meaningful would a Pavlik victory over Floyd be?

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  1. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    :lol::lol: Late at night, a few beers. Typed the wrong word.

    You can't even differ between no and know. :rofl
     
  2. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You obviously know what you write is false, however you understandably focus on this because you can't make one single valid point in a long thread.
     
  3. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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  4. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    This is why arguing with you is pointless.

    1. You think because Marquez if he adds weight becomes slower.

    2. You think fighters bulk after they weigh in. When they just rehydrate.

    3. You think because Mayweather is rock solid at 147 as you put it. Yet It's not the same as Pacquaio who weighed in at 130, even though Pacquaio put on 15lbs after the weigh in. *Making them 3lbs apart*

    That's different to you for whatever reason. :lol:
     
  5. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    If you are struggling, 10 ounces can be a lot. But the average human can body can cut 10-15 lbs easily.



    Okay.
    That's because fighters could not make weight, neither aren't going to miss the weight. These are both relatively light fighters fighting in weight classes above where they should.

    Mayweather weighing in at 143 will not be any different than him weighing in at 147. Do you think he's going to hydrate even more if he weighed in at 147?


    2nd tier fighters? The ex and current champion at 147. Then the ex WBA champion at 147 (even though weight was non factor against Hatton).

    Considering Judah is even lighter than Mayweather at 147 and Im not sure if he's ever weighed in over 147 on fight night. I would have to pick JMM to beat Judah.

    JMM fighting two fights? :lol: He's not fighting a guy who packs on a lot of weight after the weigh in. He's fighting someone relatively small for the weight.




    Floyd is a career super featherweight. :lol: So technically they are 1 class apart.

    Do you not think Floyd is bulked up at 147? They are naturally lbs apart in their fighting weight. Rock solid at 147? All that means is he's not cutting. Which now Marquez shouldn't have to cut any at all either.

    If Floyd weighs 150 before he cuts weight and he cuts to 140. He's going to be 150 on fight night. And if he cuts to 147, he's going to still be 150. When you cut weight, you add everything back. I don't think you understand that.


    Floyd will be weighing in on the scales in a technical way he's the heaviest but he will clearly only be a few lbs heavier than the Pacquaio Marquez faced.




    You act like fighters moving up in weight never happens. Im not sure on the size comparisons though.

    JMM is at a disadvantage fighting Floyd at all, at any weight.





    Just because you move up in weight does not mean you have to weigh 147.

    Judah never added an ounce of weight when he moved up to 147, you seem to think Marquez is forced to do this.
    Why would Marquez have to weigh 150+ to keep up with Mayweather? :lol:






    No one bulks up after a weigh in. They rehydrate the water weight they to make weight.

    JMM challenged Floyd, why should Floyd go down to him? This is a good comeback fight against a game fighter in Marquez, the 2nd best fighter in the world. JMM has surrendered a lil less than this before, why do you act like he hasn't?




    No one expected Floyd to be able to compete at 147. We all saw how that turned out.


    Against Pac he was 141. The Diaz fight I get mixed reports on.


    You are making it out to be like it is.

    That's because Pac cut 15lbs to make weight. Pushing his bodies limit.

    Mayweather will weigh in 17lbs north and on fight night he'll only end up being 3-4lbs heavier than Pac was against Marquez.

    Massive amount of weight? :lol: Exaggerate much.

    You can add muscle and keep speed if you do it right. Clearly you have no clue what you are talking about on this subject.
    He said he was 170 and he took a diuretic to make the weight.


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    Ha ha. I don't have or need or want a bias. I make money and consistently pick winners over many years worth of betting, you make a mess in your pants thinking of Floyd. Why would I care about other fights in this thread? Why do you change the subject dummeze? How come you can't undestand or acknowledge 75% of my posts? I only care about the advantage he has in weight and size because that is what the thread is about dumbass.[/quote]

    You only care about his advantage because you dislike him. IM asking you, why did you not make threads about the advantage DLH had over Pac or the advantage DLH had over Mayweather?

    Because you clearly just dislike Mayweather. It's fine, you are just like every other Mayweather hater on this board.
     
  6. Irishbc

    Irishbc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Would mean **** and never happen in year of mondays.
     
  7. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    If Pac responded like that Id be disgusted, as should any normal boxing fan.
     
  8. Stezzie

    Stezzie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    They dont listen...you can never talk sense to idiots...I believe Floyd has never fought above 148 on fight night...
     
  9. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are the idiot. I already responded to this in detail. I doubt you bothered to read that.
     
  10. Farmboxer

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    Void thinks the fans are stupid. I will not be fooled into watching this fight, much less paying for it.
     
  11. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    You think Floyd should fight Williams after 18+ months off of boxing.
     
  12. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :rofl
     
  13. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Clearly we disagree on Floyd and certain things but Farmboxer is on a whole other level.
     
  14. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    well maybe he said that in another thread I thought it might be you again, I don't think Floyd should come back and fight Williams and I don't blame him for taking the path of least resistance and most money this time or any time, but I needed to point out what I needed to point out about this fight.

    JMM is a great prep fight for Pac. Personally I would rather JMM doesn't take the fight and Floyd either re enter 140 with a Pac fight his goal after a tune up. From Mayweather's perspective its a gem of a fight and a mismatch on paper for which he will be well paid. But I would have liked to see Floyd come back with a victory over a top twenty guy at 140 than Pac.

    If he manages to beat Pac and wants to continue fighting, than either take out the top guy at 140 or commit to welter and fight the best there.

    What we will likely see is Mayweather defeat Marquez, but I dont' expect a completely one sided fight. After that I expect Pacquiao vs Mayweather at something like 144 or 145. I don't think Pac / Roach will mind as much fighting at a higher weight vs Floyd. They will be able to use JMM's loss as leverage against any Mayweather fight at 147 if they want.

    I expect Pacquiao / Mayweather to be a 50 / 50 split after it is all said and done. At this point it is difficult to say how much of an under dog Pac will be, the JMM fight will tell us a lot.
     
  15. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Check this quote

    I think you mean JMM. Im fine with the fight. I don't see the big mismatch that you. He's rusty, he's older, and JMM is good.

    I really want Cotto to succeed so that Floyd can beat him. As of right now beating Cotto or Mosley offers absolutely nothing to his legacy.

    I expect a 9-3 fight if it goes UD but a TKO with JMM showing he can hang with Floyd for a bit.

    Bazookax3 said he talked with Roach and that he did not want Manny to fight Floyd. So Im guessing they now want to see how Floyd looks vs JMM before they make there move.

    I would say it depends on how many people buy the JMM-Floyd fight and how it goes.

    if Floyd wins but doesn't do too shot he wont get 50/50. If he wins and it sells decent. He will want more and probably should get more. 60-40 (Floyd likes Pac)