How modern was Sam Langford's style? (Poll)

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by cross_trainer, Jan 17, 2022.


Does Langford look modern?

  1. Langford looks modern. I've *never* had a boxing match.

    46.2%
  2. Langford looks modern. I've had *at least one* boxing match.

    15.4%
  3. Langford doesn't look modern. I've *never* had a boxing match.

    23.1%
  4. Langford doesn't look modern. I've had *at least one* boxing match.

    15.4%
  5. Voted by mistake.

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    How modern does Langford's style look to you? Could he have stepped out of a modern gym? Or is he still pretty far from what you'd see a well trained fighter looking like today?

    @Pat M, particularly interested to hear you weigh in on this, if you're free.

    This is one of those occasions where I'll be breaking down the poll by whether respondents have had a boxing match or not, for the data's sake. Apologies in advance to magoo and everyone else who's not a fan of that style of poll.

    Personally, Langford always struck me as looking a lot more modern than his heavyweight contemporaries. But I'm no expert.

    Some clips of Langford, for reference:

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  2. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich 'Iranian flag green' reflecting pool Full Member

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    What's your definition of a modern style?
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    His style would be unusual for today.

    But it was a little unusual for his day.

    Langford terrified people, even borderline great fighters boxed him in a wary fashion. Like Louis after him, his job, essentially, was to convince people that it was safe to punch when it wasn't. Every image we have of his style must be viewed in this context.

    I think that most phenom types have styles that look odd to modern eyes viewing with a technical thought, from Roy Jones to Jimmy Wilde (especially) to Pernell Whitaker to Tony Canzoneri.
     
  4. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In the first fight, against Lang, Langford showed good fundamental footwork, he kept his weight over his feet, he moved correctly, AND he cut the ring when Lang tried to move around him. In the second fight, Jeanette was probably more on Langford's level than Lang had been and he (Jeanette) didn't move much. There was a lot of wrestling/grappling instead. It all starts at the feet and Langford had good fundamentals there, so he should be okay. Most sports are the same, the "secret" is good fundamentals and the best just do the fundamentals better.

    I've never worried much about "styles", get the fundamentals right then pick whatever "style" you want.
     
  5. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Roughly the same as that one judge's definition of pornography: people know with when they see it.

    But I guess a VERY rough guide would be similarity to USA boxing's handbook.
     
  6. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    There is no modern style.
    Boxing is boxing.
     
  7. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    You don't think there are significant differences between what were considered fundamentals in, say, 1890 and the fundamentals taught today?

    I may be misunderstanding you. If so, my apologies.
     
  8. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich 'Iranian flag green' reflecting pool Full Member

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    If everyone knows it when they see it why ask the question?
     
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  9. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sometimes it's the referees, who don't look modern. Many clinches then were allowed to go on, with inside shoving and wrestling around. Many of those would be broken up quickly today.
     
  10. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    I'm not saying everyone infallibly knows it when they see it. Most non-boxing fans might not notice at all. Nor am I saying that there are no criteria whatsoever. Hence my citation of the USA Boxing standards as one rough guide.

    Think of family resemblances: You can often tell when people are related, but laying out specific criteria for when two people might look related is harder. Same with boxing or other martial arts. You can ask a knowledgeable person, "Hey, does that novice look competent?" and they can sometimes instantly recognize whether the novice knows what he's doing. But it might take a lot longer if you ask them to elaborate exactly what it is that looks wrong.

    I have no problem with people clarifying their criteria for modern-ness in this thread. That's great. I encourage it, and @Pat M gave a few as part of his analysis above. But I'm not imposing precise definitions ahead of time.
     
  11. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Excellent point ..
     
  12. Claw4075

    Claw4075 Ezzard Charles GOAT Full Member

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    He doesn't look modern. Wild swings, poor footwork and overall he looks very clumsy. I don't remember him facing a fighter who could actually jab throughout his whole career.
     
  13. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jeannette jabbed all fight long...
     
  14. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    If they can be discarded or significantly changed around, they are not fundamental.
     
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  15. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Joe Gans for one of many

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