How much better Is Floyd than Cotto?

Thats what everyone was saying before mosley fought Cotto! Remember we were all expecting that to be a fight to set up Mosley vs. Mayweather? I don't know he just isn't the same fighter..He hasn't completely lost it, but he is getting there.

 

Why defend Cotto's victory over Judah with styles yet downplay Mayweathers win over Hatton because Hatton had a close fight with Collazo.

Hatton had a close fight based on his style of fighting. Styles make fights. Their resume at WW is pretty even. And Floyd overall has a WAY better resume.

 

If you say so

Mosley > Quintana > Judah > Hatton > Baldomir

That is how I rate those wins. I don't really give a toss what Baldomir was, he sticks out like a sore thumb on that list, mainly because he's rubbish and got lucky

How do you rate them?

 

Yeah, but your x factor is mosley.... Who, A) has been bouncing up and down in weight for the last 4 years and b) we can all agree is not the same fighter we all once knew and c) is old... Whereas Mayweather's x factor is Hatton who was 43-0 and definitely in his prime, fights at JWW but walks around at middle weight, and came into the fight at JMW, and......Mayweather is a natural JWW/WW... So by comparing the one X-factor with both fighters I still think either they are even or floyd has the edge...I think even is the best position....Is Sharmba Mitchell better than Oktay Urkal because they could be thrown in there too, Why the **** not?

 

Mosley > Hatton > Mayweathers Judah > Baldomir > Quitana > Cotto's Judah.


Cotto's win over Judah is def at the botto mof the list. While Cotto's win over Mosley will edge out Mayweathers win over Hatton based on name and the fact that people argue Hatton shouldn't be at WW. Even though he weighed what he normally weighed as a Jr WW.

 

You downplay Mosley, but to me he didn't look that bad. Not peak, but he fought a good fight

By the same token, I can very easily discredit the Hatton win. He looked woeful against Collazo, which didn't bode well for his 147 prospects. I mean Collazo is lucky to make top 10 at the weight. He even looked poor against Urango and Maussa, before moving up

I doubt I'll change my mind on Mosley being the better win, and if you were to make a poll I'd be suprised if the vast majority didn't agree

 

What he said

Also, he would "pot shot" Cotto to death. And another thing, people severly underestimates Floyd's power...

 

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I didn't see it like that...it seems more like it is assessing their skills more than anything. It's not about screaming about whether Cotto deserves his chance. That's changing the nature of the thread - there's plenty of that around. :roll:

My take:

Power: Cotto
Speed: Floyd
Defense: Floyd
Ring Smarts:Floyd.
Adaptability: Floyd
Timing: Floyd
Heart: Even
Stamina: Even - both can go 12 rounds.
Level of Comp: Over the course of his career and what has been accomplished to date - Floyd.

 

The problem with that is,

Cotto-Mosley is looked at as. Mosley is still great.(He's not great anymore, but he's good) and they think, well Cotto was still stepping up, so it's okay for Cotto to struggle with Shane a little.


I look at that opposite, I see Shane way past it and not near the fighter he once was and I see Cotto struggling with a past it Mosley.

 

But if you put some sort of perspective on it, Hatton wouldn't get anywhere near this past it Mosley at 147. Unless you see it differently...

You can quibble and grasp straws regarding the likes of Baldomir, Quintana, the respective wins over Judah, but the Mosley win stands out as you say

This is a fairly limited comparison, 3 fights to be exact, so that one win is a big factor

 

It's a big factor based on name alone, which IMO shoudn't be a factor.

Hatton probably would go near Mosley had he beat Mayweather but since he lost he probably won't.

 

I agree with EZE, so I have to just respectfully disagree with you on your perspective about mosley vs. cotto..... I still see their resumes as fairly even with floyd if any, having the edge..Mosley is more of name than anything now, although not nearly as bad as Zab judah, but Mosley if he loses to another top ranked fighter, will become another gatekeeper at WW..

 

No, it's not about name, infact I'm somebody that gets pissed off with name recognition over better up and coming fighters

It's simply that Mosley beats and stops Hatton very comfortably at 147

 

Very comfortably? I dont think so, Mosley would probably win but with his style smashed with Hatton it could be a dirty fight considering Mosley's offense slowly over the years has become limited.

 

I think I'll depart, nice debate anyway