How much blame does Frank Warren get for the holes in Calzaghe's resume?

all of it he protected him to much if he didnt he nobody would criticis him

 

Afraid I agree, how often do you see the American prospects held back so long before they step up? They are having unification bouts by their 25th fight, not 40th so they bring it upon theirselves, all of the critisism isn't unjust.

 

I couldn't disagree with ya. Calzaghe is a great fighter. We will never know how good he is because he never got the chance to fight the best in their primes. Plus a lot of it I think has to do with fighters not wanting to lose because of money reasons and pride. Roy is an ego maniac. Floyd, too. They couldn't handle losing. Look at Darchinyan. He lost to Donaire and he can't admit that he lost. He doesn't give credit to donaire beating him. He says he beat himself. I think Joe is a bit egotistical as well. Aren't we all in some way? Joe is not the only one with this problem. Nobody likes to lose. Some of us can't deal with it. It's both. The promoter and the fighter are to blame. Plus other intangibles. Will the public buy the fight? Is the guy worthy of a fight and so on.

 

Not me, im the greatest!

 

harshly put but spot on.

 

how do you know floyd can't handle losing?

also, to be able to handle losing you have to be prepared to take the biggest fights available if you want to be 'great' to show you're not afraid of losing.

it works both ways.

 

50/50. it's joe doing the fighting afterall.

 

A lot. An awful lot.

Joe's talents as a fighter have gone to waste. I have no doubt he would of beaten Johnson if the fight came off, guys like Taylor, Tarver, they would all of falling to him.

 

Warren has always done it and of course he has the longer the career the more money for him.

 

Dont agree - Frank Warren and Joe Calzaghe are both to blame.

Calzaghe frequently pulled out of fights (Glen Johnson twice?!) faking injury.

Also in the post-fight interview after the Lacy fight Calzaghe let slip in the heat of the moment that he wanted to pull out and his dad and Frank Warren had to pursuade him he could win.

Pre-Lacy Calzaghe did not have the confidence in himself to go in with anyone. He has seemed like a different fighter since (although he has still ducked Pavlik / Froch / Dawson - so he remains the same in many respects).

 

:good

Lots of fair points.

FW is obviously one of those guys who would have his man fight a life-sized tomato can if he could make decent money off the back of it. He's a very careful matchmaker.

That having been said, Joe was more than happy to fight said tomato cans - as long as money at the gate was good, he had no issue with it (and in some cases ala Lacy above, probably preferred it).

Plus there was always a good risk of JC losing his "undefeated" status much earlier when he was green. Say what you will about hand issues and age, but he's a much more composed tactician now.