How much credit do you give a middleweight who defeated a welterweight that moved up at the champion

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mendoza, Aug 17, 2018.


How much credit do you give a middleweight who defeated a welterweight that moved up at the champion

  1. Limited credit if the middle was hurt or floored during the win.

    2 vote(s)
    28.6%

  2. A resume building type of win at best

    1 vote(s)
    14.3%

  3. A modest amount of credit should be given but nothing beyond that, unless he blows the opponent out

    2 vote(s)
    28.6%

  4. Good credit, even if he even he was smaller/less reach/older. IE, weight classes are over rated

    4 vote(s)
    57.1%

  5. Very good credit. It is doubtful many in history could have done as well

    1 vote(s)
    14.3%

  6. Legendary type of win

    1 vote(s)
    14.3%
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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Lol grazianos entire resume consists of this thread title


    I vote a modest amount of credit
     
    SuzieQ49, Aug 18, 2018
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  2. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    It's almost like you had prepared that answer in advance.
     
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  3. Mendoza

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    Thanks Q. This thread applies to ALL middles, not jus tone or two. I was looking for a board consensus. My best vote is for modest credit, unless its a blow out / quick stoppage.
     
    Mendoza, Aug 18, 2018
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  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Nope. But why immense credit for this win? Napoles was older, much smaller and would be out of boxing next year. Some credit, sure. Immense? I can't see that. Please explain.

    If you wish, you can expand on the controversy over the fight with Napoles accusing Monzon of using his thumb in his eye, and Monzon's refusal to take the urine test on site. Did anyone witness the test by the way?
     
    Mendoza, Aug 18, 2018
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  5. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You should've just asked about the Napoles win and seen what people's thoughts were on the calibur of that win.
     
    KuRuPT, Aug 18, 2018
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  6. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    I think the question is how would Napoles have down against the top 10 at 160 in 1974?

    1974

    Carlos Monzon, Champion

    1. Tony Mundine
    2. Rodrigo Valdez
    3. Bennie Briscoe
    4. Miguel de Oliveira
    5. Jean-Claude Bouttier
    6. Koichi Wajima
    7. Tony Licata
    8. Emile Griffith
    9. Charkey Ramon
    10. Luiz Fabre
    I think Napoles beats everyone here except Valdez. It should also be noted Monzon defeated Mundine, Valdez, Bouttier, Briscoe, Licata, Griffith compiling an incredible 10-0 record against men on this list! Utter Dominance

    Napoles still had something left in the tank in 1974 as he had four more successful title defenses of his 147lb crown

    Watching the Monzon Napoles fight. Monzon looks incredible. He was snapping Napoles head backwards with pinpoint accurate shots, he just looked so smooth and fluid in there. He literally outslicked napoles and used his length to dominate him at a distance.

    Very impressive
     
    SuzieQ49, Aug 18, 2018
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