How much credit do you give Jones Jr.

I h8 when people say that dropping the weight doesnt affect him. And when people say things like that, I know they dont box, or take sports period. Even if he was "190pounds as you said" He dropped MUSCLE not fat. remember Roy was a solid 197, not a fat out of shape one. So dropping muscle and not giving your body proper time to heal properly, and get use to the weight, is sure as hell going to affect you. People just dont want to give Roy the benefit of the doubt b/c he was so confident in his ability. And 1nce he lost people wanted to hang it over his head. The man is still human. Ne1 lose that much muscle without giving their body proper time to heal, is going to be weak. So lets be realistic, the weight affected him physically, after he got knocked out, it was more of a pshycholigical thing with him.

 

exactly staying at hevy when your a 5'11 barely 200 pounder,who hadnt had the speed ,the power and the ring movment he had before. there is a reason why he fought ruiz and ruiz only


ok anyone got a problem with cruiserwieght?

if he did he would be one of the the few champions who have won a title form middlewieght to heavywieght.
at cruiser it would be a stepping stone to go back to light heavyand given him some more credentials.

 

Considering where he started at hell yeah I give him credit ..I'd love to see any of today's current fighters do that ..

 

I give him a ton of credit. I don't like him anymore but it will be a long time before we have someone that has any where near the natural physical gifts he had.

JoeyP

 

Okay, so he dropped the muscle weight. I still don't buy it as an excuse. But, let's assume you are right... Hell, he beat Tarver the first time! The time he got sparked was in the rematch. Was that not enough time to adjust? Was his victory in the first fight an accident? He simply got caught in the rematch with a perfectly timed punch. Sure, it can happen to anyone. It's how you deal with it that makes a true standout. After that punch, Jones was a broken fighter. He lost his belief in himself. It's a shame because he really was a sopecial fighter before. One of my favorites.
I think if it was a heavy weight who starched him, he could have thought, "well it was a bigger man who did me in" and kept his confidence. The public would have bought that too. Getting brutally KOed by smaller men twice in a row really does hurt the public's perception of Jones. Especially after the man went up to heavy.

 

That's easy to say in retrospect, DB, because of what RJ accomplished. But in Vegas before the fight, I spoke to a ton of veteran fight people (boxers and trainers) in gyms and hard-core fans all over town.

Fans opinions were split along rooting lines. About 70% of the fighters and trainers picked Ruiz by KO -- too big, too strong.

As one heavyweight put it, "Ruiz's jab is like a light heavy's right hand."

 

well, at the time I hated Roy, so i was glad he went down and got beat. But in retrospect, for the good of his career, he shouldve unified with Byrd (this fght was 50/50 i.m.o, and then challenged Lewis. Sure, he wouldve lost, but he wouldve went out trying to achieve ultimate greatness, not losing to Johnson and Tarver. Plus, once the fight starts, who knows what wouldve been the outcome, maybe Lewis wouldve threw out his shoulder or something...

 

it looked good till a out of shape toney was able to do it. it showed ruiz was just that bad.

 

Ruiz has been a top 10 boxer/ titlist for OVER TEN YEARS! Who else in the division can say this? Not many, IF ANY!

 

I think he should've retired after the Ruiz win.

 

A lot. Ruiz is a great fighter. And for Roy Jones to come up. Take Ruiz' killer right hand. And come back at him with a wicked bolo punch that hurt the Quietman was great. One of my most memorable fights of the 2000s. I was the edge of my feet watching it live because I knew at any moment that one Ruiz shot and Roy JOnes could have been KOed.

 

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Great action in the first round.

 

Not to much cause i thought he matched up well vs Jonh Ruiz.

 

wow, I didnt remember how much Nady kept Ruiz from fighting his fight