How much credit do you give Tunney for winning his series against Greb?

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  1. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ok, I know that there second fight is debatable as to who won, but on paper Tunney took the series. How much credit does he get? I only ask because in the past I've seen people try to debase Tunney and his wins over Greb by stating things like "He was beaten by a middleweight" or "He split a series with a middleweight". I think such statements are pretty ****ing ******ed. Greb was a middleweight, but in some of his fights with Tunney he weighed in well above the middleweight limit, not to mention that he's the greatest middleweight of all time, and resume wise he's in the top 10 light heavy's of all time as well.
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Good post, really i'm just going to echo what you've said. Greb possibly had the best LHW resume of anyone Tunney conquered, and although one of the fights was technically at HW, Greb's HW resume is pretty good too!

    I give him oodles of credit for dominating Greb in the series. One aside. The second fight was really close, I have opposing sources giving opposing accounts of who they feel was victorious, and no real problem with the decision. However, it is said that Greb was disgusted at the loss in the second fight. He altered his tactics drastically for the remaining bouts, it seems. Greb fought very dirty against Gene in II and Gene never responded in kind. Greb, who thought he domintated II, cosnidered he had lost because of the referee's dim view of his dirty tactics and was much more reserved in their remaining encounters. If Greb had continued to go to his bag of tricks for the remainder, who knows?
     
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  3. dukestreet

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    greb gave him the ultimate compliment after the series himself.
     
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  4. teeto

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    Any1 who doesnt give Tunney credit has lost it or is just plain ignorant
     
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  5. klompton

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    Tunney didnt win the series. Greb won the first. He was out and out robbed in the second fight. Tunney won the third. Greb won the newspaper decisions in all of the Cleveland papers except one which had it a draw. Tunney won th fifth. Thats three for Greb and two for Tunney.
     
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  6. Joe Jeanette

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    just because you say that he was robbed doesn't make it so. or do you feel that firpo was robbed vs dempsey as well....
     
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  7. mcvey

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    Nat Fleisher did ,he felt Dempsey should have been dsqd for not retiring to a neutral corner and for being assisted back into the ring.
     
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  8. Joe Jeanette

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    as do I. And to think they call John Ruiz the first Latin Heavyweight Champion. :patsch
     
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  9. Ezzard

    Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Greb is probably a top 10 ATG LHW. If you beat him once it's some achievement.

    I know some people dislike Tunney on this site but it seems to be going a bit too far now.
     
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  10. Joe Jeanette

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    Greb is an all-time top ten ATG at LH? I don't know much about him - admittedly - but I always thought that his place in history was based on being a middleweight and beating up bigger men.
     
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  11. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Alot of credit. but something many dont realize....The series was pretty much even. Both won 2 fights.......with tunney having a 15lb weight advantage. so tunney did not dominate the series.
     
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  12. Ezzard

    Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It is but there's plenty of evidence in his resume of Greb handling great LHWs.

    He has wins and draws with

    Rosenbloom
    Loughran
    Gibbons
    Tunney
    Norfolk

    Loughran, Tunney and Norfolk are regularly seen in 175 top 10 lists, and Gibbons is usually an HM.
     
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  13. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Without seeing a film of the fight, I don't see how you can call the second Greb-Tunney fight an outright robbery. One judge voted for Greb. One for Tunney. The referee voted for Tunney, giving him a split decision. The New York Tribune surveyed the ringside writers. Four voted for Tunney. Four for Greb. Five voted for a draw. The fight was obviously razor close.

    I don't see claiming Greb got the better of Tunney in their series. The best that could be said is that they came out about even, but Tunney edged Greb in the fights with official scoring.
     
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  14. McGrain

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    Why do you keep saying this? Which fights did Greb win?
     
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  15. Nemesis

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    Dreadful post :-(
     
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