How much credit should Dempsey get for his controversial victory over Jack Sharkey?

Silly. None of the three blows prior to the Ko blow were anywhere near his groin. Period end of story. I've watch this bout for 40 years.

 

He was hit with three crushing body blow one after in other in the same spot. None low. Sharkey said years later. When Dempsey hits you to the body it feels like it came out your back.

 

Where do you see a low blow? Low blow is officially defined as a punch below an imaginary line from hip bone to hip bone. None of those three punches were below this line.

 

Perry, I admire your posts for what you say is true, and the officials at that bout ruled that Dempsey ko'd Sharkey. But you are dealing with some posters who so despise Jack Dempsey that it borders on paranoid I believe.
They hate him so much that I feel it is hopeless to deal with them in logical terms. I have been reading, watching boxing since 1940 or so, and in all those years I have never read such disparaging things about the great Jack Dempsey, nor any other legendary fighter, as I have read since I joined the ESB forum in 2010 by SOME posters who spout their bile of Dempsey's
ineptness, racism etc, that truly knows no shame...Sickening Perry, but you are a breath of fresh air...cheers.

 

Why the hate against a great fighter who has been dead over 30 years? Those three punches were not low and it's obviously the case. Headlines at that times state that review of the fight films show the blows were NOT low. If that was the conclusion by looking at the films in 1927 why do those today try to alter the truth?

 

Oh yeah, there's no way Dempsey could inflict pain with a legal blow.

 

I don't think those punches were to the b*lls at all, one of them looked a bit low, the other two looked to be right on the belt line and fully legal.

 

Yes, and Sharkey did later years give credit for Dempsey's hurtful blows to the body.

 

The REAL question is....Do the hateful posters know where their b...s are located?

 

The KO blow aside, Dempsey, at 31 plus, far past his best, was rallying to give an absolutely prime Sharkey a brutal fight .. after a bit ( over rated ) of a rocky start , he was dishing out nasty punishment to the Sailor's body and Sharkey was slowing down .. it was a give and take sort of grueling bout, hotly contested ... there appears to be little doubt Dempsey hit him low and you're right that Sharkey is still holding his groin after flattened but there is really no way of knowing for sure and it's one of those things .. the answer from me is regardless of the victory Dempsey deserves a ton of credit for hanging in there with a very , very tough guy far past his own best .. it showed what Jack was made of and what he may have been capable of if he ever maximized his prime which he surely did not ...

 

In my eyes and the referee's eyes Dempsey was weakening Sharkey round after round with those nasty body blows that only a Dempsey could throw. At 32 he had no more legs and hand speed to cope with a razor sharp 25 year old Sharkey, who at his best could fight any heavyweight in history.
After the fight Sharkey proclaimed that every spot Dempsey landed on '"he broke bones"... He also contended that Dempsey was the greatest heavyweight he had seen.
He asked no quarters and gave no quarters, and never *****ed. One scene
remains in my mind to this day. In one of the later rounds before the ko, the bell to end the round rings and Dempsey walks to his corner with his hands at his side. Sharkey walks by Dempsey and swats him in the face for no reason but Dempsey stoically walks to his corner....Watch it on film folks, for it shows the essence of a true fighter in the best sense of the word...

 

Little doubt he hit him low? No evidence whatsoever that any of the three blows prior to the Ko were low. Your b...s hang between your legs. All the blows were WAY above this region. Low blows are any blow below an imaginary line at the hip bones.

 

His right hand goes to his abdomen, but his body by this point could be pretty sore from legal blows and pain can be reflected, as I posted earlier.

This just isn't proof. Nor is a look of pain on Sharkey's face. That might be from a legal blow also.

Proof would be a clear low blow, but with Dempsey's back to the camera, there simply is none, and the referee is off to the right and actually has the perfect angle to see a low blow from Dempsey's right hand if there was one.

"dipped his knee"

Just looked to me like he was shifting his weight. He doesn't look like he was going down until he got hit with that left hook.

*one other thing, Sharkey drops hard to his knees and then flops down hard face first. I wonder if he could have landed wrong and on the wrong area. It certainly looks like he might have.

Sharkey just lost his head and didn't pay attention to his business.

Dempsey deserves full credit for this KO,

but I have doubts about Sharkey being quite the top rung fighter some rate him.

 

"You see clearly that Dempsey hit him right in the ***** with a right uppercut. Plain and clear."

Well, not to me. Certainly not the *****. At most, these would be borderline belt punches.

The referee is to the right side of Dempsey and had a much better view of these punches than the camera gives us.

"hands lowering to his crotch area"

Actually they never get lower than his nipples before he catches that left hook. He was clinching Dempsey's left when he looks over to his own left at the referee and doesn't pay attention to Dempsey who is freeing his left hand. Sharkey turns back just in time to get that left hook flush.

"pain on his face"

You certainly draw a lot of conclusions. All I see is his mouth opening to b-tch to the ref.

Thanks though for replying and pinpointing the times on the film in which you see the foul.

For me--no smoking gun for a foul.

 

Get your eyes tested or your intellectual dishonesty tested. Those punches were below the belt it's not up for debate.