How much different would the May-Pac fight be if it were 2009 opposed to 2015?

You're a horrible troll anyone who knows boxing knows sparring has no bearing on how an actual boxing match would go. You sound like a novice. And no one on this forum other than you and a few other trolls would pick Morales to beat pbf in a boxing match.

 

Which wars? Everyone says he's been in a "number of wars", which ones? I haven't seen in him wars like Hagler, Provodnikov, Gatti, Mickey Ward .... Everyone is trying to make an excuse why a younger Pac lost to Floyd but up until that point Pac looked invincible except for JMM

 

Massively,anyone says PAC who fought floyd is same one fought cotto is blind.
Money got his money,and ripped the fans off to the tune of over 100 million.fair play if he wants to claim to be best business brain ever but fighter ha,ok

 

What i like about this thread is you have half of you saying manny destroys FlIVd and the other half thinks FlIVd still beats Pac. What youre all really saying is WE STILL DONT KNOW!!! This is why this fight had to happen in 2010 not 2015. By the time the fight happened it was irrelevant. Although FlIVd fans will deny it even after `15 here in `17 we are still no closer to knowing who the better fighter was and FlIVd is to blame for that. Between the on video admission of being scared for his health, Manny agreeing to all testing in 2011 and the fight still not happening it was FlIVd who didnt want the fight to happen. I think the most damning piece of evidence for it being FlIVds fault the fight not happening was that when he decided it would happen it happened quickly. It was FlIVd that made it happen and it was him that prevented it for 5 years and i dont understand how anyone can see it differerntly. I dont want to here a word about taking tests because that was all bs played up by FlIVd to put the blame on Manny and Top Rank for the fight not happening.
I have no idea who wins in 2009/10 but i find it very telling that a FlIVd who still looked near the top of his game but of a course a bit in decline beat an injured post ko6 too many ring wars faded Manny whom he still didnt hurt, went the distance and managed to land an average of 11 punches a round against. I think in his heart FlIVd thought it was possible he could lose to manny back in `10 and did not want to chance it.

 

Dislike both so can be entirely neutral

A clean Mayweather takes a clean Pacquiao to the cleaners 10 times out of 10

 

It can't be proved because floyd wouldn't touch the fight for 6 years.thats a story in itself,but another perspective is,PAC even tho smaller in every way,willing to fight win or lose,was up for it,plus the fact his resume pisses on floyd s makes it irrellevent.
No one can argue mayweathers talent but greatness is measured by over coming the odds and putting it on the line.
After dlh,ppl cried out for cotto b4 PAC beat him,Margo,Williams,PAC for years.
He says he'd school ggg now,why doesn't he ?
Because the idiots who dance to his tune just agree and say yea,the mcgreggor fight is worth a wank.
Canello was a brilliant win,other than that,what did he do that surprised u in any way shape or form ?

 

Void refused to fight Pac until he had a injured shoulder. Void's boxing commission promised Pac he could get a pain shot if they did not cancel the fight, but they lied...................however, Void was allowed a pain shot, Pac was not. Void is a con artist...............

 

Same old ****, different day.

 

The only difference would have been the money

 

I agree Pac became a more skillful and more orthodox fighter as he got older but I disagree that that gives younger Pac less chance. The guy that gave most FM most trouble was Maidana with his wild aggressive style. Most of his other ww opponents tried to outbox him which was no way to fight a master boxer like FM. Pac had the style the angles the power and footwork in 2009 to beat him. He used to pump out 100 punches a rd in those days. Floyd stops him?......na. Floyd did not have the power in 2015 and certainly not in 2009. It's best to take FM's own daddy's advice on what would have happened in 2009-''If he fights my son right now he knocks him out with all that crazy sh!t''.

 

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- Not convinced, back then Pac at least had energy and KO power, though I'd say 2010 Pac was his absolute prime

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- Agreed

 

Pac, like Hatton, looked great against a certain type of fighter, but Mayweather just too hard to hit, too sharp with the counters for Pac ever to beat him.
Pac was prime v JMM and in my opinion lost every fight, and look at the massive gulf in class between him and Floyd(and btw JMM is one of my all time favourite fighters).
If you make PAC lead, and give him lots of feints and angles, he's not nearly as effective.
PAC is a truly great fighter, his resume is incredible, but Floyd was always a bad match up for him.

 

The fight would have pretty much played out the same way. Possibly worse for PAC. PAC may have been more aggressive then but that would have opened him up for more crisp and clean counters from Floyd. Floyd was still a master at controlling distance and range at the time, he still held all the physical attributes, plus his reflexes and speed where actually better. PAC's aggression may have bothered Floyd a bit but he would have adjusted as he always does. Coupled with the fact that PAC never has a plan B and you are looking at a Floyd UD and possible stoppage via check hook or PAC running into a counter he never sees coming.

 

less competitive because Pac was totally too wild, off balance and straight left happy. fmj would score at least a kd adding to his wide UD.

one thing that would change, I believe is the shoulder excuse because BR would be convinced a rematch would be done deal

 

Bob arum CLEARLY stopped this fight from happening ffs its not even up for debate when the facts and direct quotes are right there.. ur busy twisting floyds quote about his health but if u really wanna impress me spin arums black and white ducks