How much different would the May-Pac fight be if it were 2009 opposed to 2015?

It's funny isn't it? Too bad for them videos like this still exists, which destroys that myth. 2:28 of this video.

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he had more power and intensity because he was on PEDS you FOOL.

 

Pac was bolder then. He probably would have ran into a right hand and got knocked out.

 

What is interesting is Floyd loses all these battles with Manny that can never be played out but when they fought in real life, Manny did nothing to an OLDER Floyd. Yet his fans imagine all these scenarios where Floyd loses convincingly. SMH. Pac is made for Floyd. That's why Maidana, Hatton, Guerrero and Canelo did better against him. Floyd has problems with guys who will body him and put him on the ropes. Manny is not that fighter.

 

I think Mayweather probably wins on points.
But ..... Why didn't he fight him ?

 

Floyd ran away from Manny faster than looters during the Watts riots.

 

Is this a serious post? Manny was shot. And injured. And Floyd was on that sauce.

 

You forgot a bunch of other EXCUSES! Wasn't he having problems with his wife too? He was focused on congress, etc. Maybe wrong socks, shoes? He didn't pray enough so his god wasn't on his side. So many reasons he lost to Floyd except the obvious: he lost to a better fighter and will lose to him at any point in their career.

 

Pacquiao clear UD. The fight in 2015 has me convinced of this. I had it 116-112 (117-111 is plausible, too) - a fight with a couple of extra rounds won mostly on the basis of a couple of light jabs per round against a SEMI-SHOT Pacquiao who became more of a pure boxer which isn't what he's about, let alone a semi-shot Pac who required shoulder surgery.

Pac's edge was his style which was focussed less on pure boxing (which is Mayweather's game) and using speed and athleticism in his aggression.
Hell, it was to the extent that he also had a willingness to take shots from bigger punchers than the featherfist Mayweather, in order to land 3 of his own.
All of this had eroded by KTFO6 from Marquez at the very elite level and he continued to go downhill for 3 years until the fight, and we saw Manny turn into more of a pure boxer rather than the monster who could demolish Cotto.

 

I'm telling you the following, not arguing:
- Pac was in a gruelling fight with Cotto as the much smaller man - it wasn't a whitewash from the start, Pac ende up demolishing him
- Margarito did land some good shots and it was the very last of Pac's prime (despite it being a domination)
- The first and second Marquez fight were tough fights - they weren't simply 'tactical fights'
- Agapito Sanchez who was manhandling him
- Being knocked out twice before pre-prime.
- Being in a poverty condition and having poor resources in his earlier career for quite some time - this adds up over time
- Taking shots for years upon years against naturally bigger men, including welterweight
- War with JMM in the 4th fight - ended up in the biggest headshot KO I've ever seen
- Looking worse and worse consequently from Mosley onwards
- Others, cba.

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Pac was done. Floyd had easy pickings. As soon as I saw the Mosley fight, I was vocal in not wanting to see the Floyd-Pac fight and hoped it wouldn't take place.

 

Still don't see it. Not much more punishment than other fighters. He became shot one he lost to Floyd. Had easy time with Algieri, Rios, Vargas but was conveniently shot against Floyd.

 

Excuses? Was Pac not violently KO'd in his 30s and in the late stages of his career? Were people not saying that Pac would never fight again after the JMM KO? Did Pac's workrate not plummet after the KO, even against feather fisted people? These aren't excuses. They're facts that you conveniently ignore to prop up your own agenda.

 

Pre-Margarito Pac would have decimated Algieri, Rios, and Vargas under 6 rounds.

 

Not much different at all. Mayweather would have outboxed him and won a wide UD.

 

Stop it you don't even believe that ****. PBF is a horrible match up for Pac any version of him because he will always be able to control the range and dictate the distance the fight is fought at and that's really all this is. PBF back in 2009 was prime to he still had the reach advantage and better footwork faster feet and better reflexes than Pac did. All those angles and work rate won't mean anything like they do against guys who are there to be hit and come forward because PBF won't be there to be hit and the fight would be fought at PBF's pace. Boxing isn't a video game Pac isn't just going to come forward throwing punches against a guy who's not in range. If he does he might get possibly Koed due to PBF's superior reach.

As soon as Pac ate a clean counter for being reckless he would realize that he can't simply come in wild like he does everyone else and he's done because PBF would make him pay. Pac has never been a physical fighter he wasn't a thinking man's fighter back then like he's now he can't cut the ring he didn't jab back then he didn't go to the body he was basically a one-handed one-dimensional fighter he doesn't do anything that troubles PBF.

PBF takes his left hand away and goes to work on this dude he would be figured out in 2 rounds and tooled. There's a reason why Roach said back when they were fighting Hatton that he needed more time to get Pac ready for PBF. That's because Pac couldn't even beat JMM clearly and Roach knew that if he struggled with JMM who gave Pac fits by countering and educated footwork a master boxer in PBF would school him.

Anyone who knows boxing can see that PBF is a horrific styles match up for Pac anything else is wishful thinking and hate. PBF's ability to control range and dictate distance on Pac will always give him an edge and no one here can tell me how Pac can overcome this. It was the reason why he beat Pac in 2015 and it would have been the reason why he have beaten him in 2009 as well