How much does size really matter?

Vitali was ready to knock Lewis out in the 7th round. He broke Lewis' nose badly. Lewis was finished, that's why he refused to fight a rematch for $40,000,000! Lewis stayed retired. Vitali retired him. Max Kellerman was right behind Lewis' corner,said Lewis was finished, never seen him flop down on stool like that. Lewis had to hold on to Vitali to keep from going down. Vitali staggered Lewis. Vitali walked right through Lewis' punches. Ali/Leonard's trainer Angelo Dundee said the Vitali was cheated out of the championship that night. Cut was not bad enough to stop fight. Vitali was winning on the cards also. So, go get Lewis and get him into the ring right now, Vitali will finish him off. Look at Lewis' nose next time he is on TV. Lewis knows he lost the fight. Chicken he is. Vitali can't wait to knock him out, Lewis knows it and will never fight him. Vitali ended Lewis' career. Vitali will continue to beat all your heroes, so will Vlad.

 

I agree. In the end, the smaller boxer has to overcome the size issue with his skill.

 

I've personally seen journeymen bantamweight boxers tear new assholes on mma fighters 180-240lbs. Too fast, hit too hard. Out of maybe the 1 out of 10 times in sparring, the bigger guy might use his size in a submission or outmuscle the smaller boxer or push him trapping him against the ropes, but in straight up toe to toe action punch for punch size don't mean a thing.

 

i think it matters alot when a guy is starving himself to make weight an depletes himself a similar instance was castillo vs corrales rematch were castillo totally disregard of weight limit gave him obvious stregth advantage real similar to guzman vs funeka

 

I think skill can take you to a certain point when moving up weight classes. If you are an elite boxer in a lower weight class, there is a good chance you could beat a good boxer a couple of weight classes above you. However I believe this will only get you so far, you would have to be very elusive, or have a good/great defense and good/great chin to mix it with elite boxers of a higher weight class.

 

And what about fight between Ali and Chamberlain? They look like David and Goliath on old black and white photos. Assuming that Chamberlain had trained boxing for a year before the fight - could he be the winner? Not a chance for me.
There were some simulations on Discovery called 'Animal face-off' (you can find many of this on youtube) trying to answer the question: which animal will win the fight. Maybe it would be interesting to create something like that about humans and boxers particularly?

 

Is this a joke?

 

Its how the guy with the size advantage uses his height that matters. Does the guy bend down? Does he fight small? or tall? Sometimes being the taller guy with longer reach means nothing if the guy doesn't know how to use it properly. Look at how Paul Williams fight and look at how the Klitschko's fight.

 

Ive always looked at it like this............

Trinidad was an elite fighter but he was not a particularly good Boxer, his power and general relentlessness is what helped him overcome most opponents, even the ones who were better technically and presented stylistic issues for him. When Tito moved up he was able to blast the likes of Joppy who was a B class fighter even though Joppy was the the naturally bigger man, however when Tito tried to fight Hopkins and Winky he could not negate the stylistic issues in the fight with his power because these were bigger men who are used to being hit by bigger guys, now thats when the stylistic advantages they had in the fight shined through, when Tito was at 147 his superior size would of been able to overcome this despite having issues stylistically but these men were bigger and most importantly they were not B class like Joppy, elite fighters no how to maximize there advantages.



an elite fighter should be capable of moving up and beating B class fighters and most fighters who do move do face B class fighters as appose to the elite level guys in the divison, Jones fought Ruiz when Lewis was the consensus HW champ, Leonard Kalule and there are other examples.


I dont think size matters against B/C class fighters but it does when your fighting an elite fighter because elite fighters know how to maximize there advantages. I watched Porter's last fight with some 6 ft Southpaw and even though Porter won he did look good, now if that guy was an elite fighter and he had those kinda advantages Porter most likely would of lost that fight easily imo.

 

http://www.spike.com/episode/25846/st/2936579

 

Key word. MINIMAL TRAINING. A 6'4 230lb man with minimal training has a hell of a lot more chance against a good pro boxer weighing 130lb than a 6'4 230lb man with NO training. Its those very important basics.

Take for example mma, back in the days, a boxer with decent, minimal training in wrestling/grappling and just generally being able to sprawl would be favourite to win the tournament against all single individual styles. However, a BJJ guy against a boxer who has never even touched grappling had no hope, cos he had 0 basics in defending against grappling attacks.

Im speaking from experience here. I would struggle against a HW with around 3-6months training, because they have the basics to put that size into use that it makes it very hard to overcome. I would literally toy with HW's who are fresh into the gym though.

Those basics you learn from minimal training makes a hell of a lot of difference. Of course, my post was directed at you with the assumption that you had no prior training.

 

yeah, how much really?

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I think size is the main reason we have several weight classes. So yes, it does matter. Probably it matters so much that it makes the sport dangerous, with some people really struggling to make weight to fight in a division they really shouldn't fight in.