How Much Further for Pacman?

It entirely depends who and where you're asking and how you rank fighters. I feel no matter what he does, most guys on here would be emotionally incapable of ranking him above the oldtime greats and Duran.

If mayweather beats mosley, and then Pacman beats mayweather, then i have him vying with Jones Jr, Whitaker and Ray Leonard for the 3 - 6 spots, behind Robinson and Ali.On my H2H pro-visual evidence way-of-ranking-fighters P4P list

 

Mayweather doesn't rank that highly in my p4p list, so a victory for Pac would cement him in a top 20 position in my book. If he retired tomorrow I'd have him between 30-35, fair IMO.

He will absolutely smash Floyd as well. Pac can clearly take a shot at the weight, how is Floyd gonna keep him off? Two many punches for even Floyds defence and fast feet and stamina to chase him around all night. Master tactician in the corner and has fought far better opposition, I can't see how anyone can pick against Pac, especially when he has the tenacity, handspeed and angles to negate him being bossed by a jab for a long period of time.

 

I don't think we can take much from Pac's recent fights when discussing a fight with Mayweather. For when was the last time Pac fought a guy that didn't stand right in front of him and allow him to flurry at his leisure?

Pac won't be as busy against Floyd. And if anything, I think the way Clottey was tagging him with clean shots its quite a concern for him, for Mayweather, as anemic as his offense is nowadays, is probably still a couple of steps up from Clottey's offense.

Should be an interesting fight, but I'd still make Mayweather favourite, assuming he hasn't lost anything of course...

 

Floyd will give Pac as many oppurtunities to land as Pac would Floyd IMO. And as Pac is the much busier/braver guy I can imagine him outlanding Floyd with little regard to what was coming back.

I'm not certain Floyd can keep him away. I alsothink Roach will prepare Pac as not to get frustrated at the prospect of an evasive opponent.

Floyd is quality, but I cannot see Roach nt coming up with a plan to get past his jab and angles to offset Floyds straight right somewhat, which is fast and accurate but not particularly destructive IMO.

I just feel Pac is the harder fighter to prepare for, and that Floyd isn't proven with a fighter as on top of his game as Pac currently is.

 

(Hopefully) time will tell mate. Wouldn't mind you being right :yep

 

Shane lacks the feet to truly test Floyd IMO, although I hope he can make it interesting.

No doubt I'll be labelled a 'hater', but for me Pac is telhe far more accomplished and formidable opponent. People say 'oh yes but styles make fights' but for me I think Pac is a worse style for Floyd than Floyd is for Pac. I doubt it'll ever happen though, which is a shame as this Forum will be going roud and round fr the next 20 years

 

The question is: if Pac beats Mayweather, what can he reasonably do to enhance his legacy?

He's not going to have some 100+ more fights like the old timers, so he won't ever compare with Robinson's 90 some straight wins. If he dominates WW for another couple of years, and establish himself as a truly great WW (on top of his work in lower division) that should at least get him a top 10 spot, though. As would going up to MW and scoring some real solid wins.

If he'd retire today, I'd probably already have him ahead of the likes of Monzon, Hagler, Hearns and perhaps even Leonard.

 

I wouldn't have him over Leonard even if he beats Floyd and Mosley tbh.

 

If Pac were to beat Floyd I'd rank him over Leonard personally, even though I think Leonard would beat him at Welter.

I been saying it a while. Pavlik ain't goin nowhere. Arum likes money, and likes pitting his own guys against each other. I'lf Pavlik manages to beat Martinez, mark my words: Manny will skip 154 and fight Pavlik :deal

 

I would. Without a shadow of a doubt. He would then have some 7-8 victories that can compare to Leonard's four best. With his dominant victory over De La Hoya he already have a at least one greater victory than Leonard's over Hagler. And I really rate Leonard's victory over Hagler.

 

No way is the Oscar fight comparable to Leonards win over Hagler.

First an foremost Hagler is far superior a fighter than Oscar, and also in much better times when Leonard fought him in comparison to wen Pac fought Oscar.

PAC is just adding to what is a pretty weighty resume. Not quite on the level of a Canzoneri though IMO. With a win over Floyd I'd gave Pac between 16-20 I reckon.

 

Errr... seriously?

 

Mayweather is the key for him, gets him on his record he goes very high and nothing more really i can see that can push him further. Get mayweather and retire, but that fight is not easy, i'm undecided, i favour mayweather but would like to see the mosely fight 1st before deciding.

 

A victory over Edwin Valero has no value at all in my judgment, Manny has one assignment left and that's the winner of Floyd Mayweather vs Shane Mosley. He can retire after that and I wouldn't complain. He'd have to make a few meaningful title defenses in addition to that to raise his stock even more, I think 154lbs is out of the question.