How Much Further for Pacman?

Ain't you a sharp tongue. :smooch That a boy.

 

In the 80s duran beat ray leonard,moore,cuevas and barkley. Lost to benitez,leonard,fought valiantly against hagler and got blasted by hearns. Now thats some great wins,and some tremendous atg opposition there,not to mention the bouts with pazienza,castro,camacho,etc. Couple this with the fact that he was getting past prime and miles past his original weight and i think hes valid just on his work from after 80. (head to head hed also beat pac at 147,or any weight for that matter.)
If not,then hearns is the next on the list,his wins past 80 include,cuevas,benitez,duran,roldan,andries,leonard (you know he won that second one!) and hill,not to mention his great losing battles to atgs leonard and hagler.
If pac beats may,i think he goes ahead of any of the modern greats like spinks,hagler,foster,arguello,jones,chavez,hopkins and such like. (in fact,he is already on par or even better than some of them,even if he retired now.) ,but i dont think he will go ahead of guys like whitaker,hearns or ray leonard.

 

Duran's win over Barkley was something else, astonishing. Duran's greatest achievement outside of beating peak Ray Leonard in my judgment.

 

I would say so as well.
The hagler performance is probably the best ever losing perfomance 'overall' as well.
Those three performances are almost all unique to duran in his being a natural 135 er,and all three of the guys he fought were pretty much prime...

 

I haven't seen the Hagler fight but I have it on DVD. Perhaps I should watch it tonight. Some people claim he came painfully close to winning but just got tired whereas others are less kind, saying the fight wasn't nearly as close as some suggest. One thing's for sure, I re-watched the Davey Moore fight last night, and he gave a big, undefeated Light Middleweight world champion a brutal beat-down even though he was past his best. To properly evaluate the greatness of Duran you have to put his size and age in perspective when looking at the Moore and Barkley wins. Duran was supposed to have been done by 1983, 6 years before the Barkley fight. Incredible.

 

Don't count on Bradley or Berto happening but I agree that he is in the p4p discussion

 

He's also got one of the best handle's of recent years

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175 lbs, tops.

 

If he beats Mayweather I would have him top twenty, if he goes on from there the sky's the limit.

 

1. I think it would be Mayweather. Mayweather and Mosley would both beat him but what makes you think he would fight either of them?
2. He should beat Bradley but He's a good boxer so the upset is possible
3. I think would be Berto. Breto is underated., I think he is better than Cotto, Clottey and Margrito but not as good as Mosley, Pacquiao and Mayweather at 147. Once again an upset is not out of the question.
4. He should beat Valero. He is the better boxer.
5. I don't think he will fight above 154.
At best he would go 3-1 against this group and at worst 1-3.
Either way he is a hall of famer with out any dobut regaurdless of how he dose.

 

No dispute that Hagler won easliy by a couple of points , but Duran fought very well and at that time Hagler was ko'ing all the other challengers.

 

I was trying to be funny, Pacman made all of them look like they were not 'live' and statueque, but that is Pacman. I cannot see any one else at WW doing that to Oscar that night weight drained or not, a lot would have beaten him but not in that fashion.

A former flyweight champ giving a former middle weight champ* a beat down.

 

Manny Pacquiao was a baby boy when he won his Flyweight title, every time he stands next to a Welterweight he barely looks undersized now. The exception probably being in his last fight, but there's also the question as to why he refused a drugs test. Hey, I'm not suggesting he is a cheater but I am scratching my head over his refusal. I don't see how any level headed person couldn't be.

 

I don't want to see pavlik taking pac's head off with a straight shot lol

 

I agree.