How much has Mayweather's legacy enhanced?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Whiskers, May 16, 2012.


  1. Whiskers

    Whiskers Member Full Member

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    He has beaten Miguel Cotto now, so how much do you think that scalp is worth? Has it improved his standing by a lot?

    I haven't surfaced these boards in years and I remember back in the day when Cotto was coming through there was a lot of talk of these two fighting. Lots of banter back and forth between Mayweather and Cotto fans lol. I remember everyone saying it was going to be THE biggest test for Mayweather and if he won then he would have won them over etc. It's a shame the fight never happen back then for whatever reason but I'm glad it finally did and I thought Mayweather did really well.

    I'm just wondering what the fans back then when they wanted Mayweather to fight prime Cotto, what they think of it happening 4 years later and what they think the win is now worth compared to what it would have been back then.

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  2. Pound4PoundG

    Pound4PoundG Guest

    Its not the same is it, hes just beaten damaged goods.
     
  3. Elliot

    Elliot Boxing Addict banned

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    It's a good victory, if Cotto wins his next few it appears a great victory.
     
  4. Whiskers

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    Yeah it's not the same. Cotto has slowed down a lot since and has become more beatable. But I still think the win over the current Cotto is a strong one. As he proved he was a game opponent. And yeah if Cotto goes on to win a couple of good fights then it confirms it was a pretty solid win.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Not by much for me.

    There's only so much you can prove by fighting guys who are not at your level. Everyone - almost everyone - expected Mayweather to win that fight. It comes down to numbers - if you can say he took out 4 #1 ranked guys, 22 ranked contenders etc., that's good, but as a single win it does nothing for me.

    I enjoyed the performance and rank him #1 right now, but that doesn't prove all that much to me. There are only two fighters out there that mean more than numbers for him right now and those fights likely won't happen.
     
  6. Whiskers

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    McGrain I get your point. Back in 2008 when Cotto WAS considered a #1 ranked contender or opponent (or a threat), then a win over him would have been worth much more. I really wish it would have happened back then. I think Mayweather would be looked upon more favourably today if he did.
     
  7. moneypaysbills

    moneypaysbills That's Mr moneypaysbills Full Member

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    That's true but it's seen as great for pacquio that he beat a weight drained cotto. But Floyd a natural lightweight went up to Cotto's prime weight at Jr middle and took his belt. I think this deserves some credit as no-one can argue that Cotto was past it as he's 4 years younger than Floyd!
     
  8. Whiskers

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    moneypaysbills, people like Pacquiao’s win because he did it when he was coming up in weight too and he exceeded everyone’s expectations. But I think people make too much of a deal out of the weights. Cotto looked fine in both fights in my opinion.
     
  9. Don't Sleep

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    A 154lb champion with 3 consecutive stoppages and a trainer who has a PhD in Sports Medicine is pretty good damaged goods


    So what is the 145lb version who skeetched by Clottey and who had been recently plastered by Margarito, who fought Manny with a childhood friend as a trainer for a championship fight?
     
  10. Don't Sleep

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    True, I am not making a big deal out of the weight, I just dont like the fact that they fought for a welterweight bout that wasnt at the welterweight limit.
     
  11. Whiskers

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    Don't Sleep, I get what you mean, but it happens in boxing all the time. Minor thing.
     
  12. PeteDawg

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    Money Mayweather didn't enhance his legacy with his victory over Miguel Cotto; especially Cotto of today. Maybe if he would have done this 4 or 5 years ago, most definitely.

    The fight went according as predicted. Except that in the Pretty One's mind I don't think he expected to get a bloody nose and fat lip. It was also the more disappointing that he couldn't even take Cotto out.

    It didn't help and in fact once the "after-glow" wears off from his fans, it probably hurt him slightly. ;):hat
     
  13. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Nobody doubted fmj could or would beat Cotto & the scorecards (the majority ranging anywhere from 10-2 to 8-4) were just what most expected so his standing doesn`t change that much either way IMO... the only suprise was that... 1. Cotto was able to make him `fight` as often as he did &... 2. fmj was able to beat Cotto in this manner when forced to.

    It was a good fight & one that will not hurt his legacy but ultimately it was yet another 2nd prize fight vs someone not named pacquiao, his main rival for greatest of the era as well as current p4p best.

    Both he & pacquiao badly need to fight each other asap otherwise both of their careers will have ???s hanging over them for the rest of their lives & the `non-fight` will be what both will be remembered for just as much as what they did do.... making it impossible to rank them alongside guys on the level of Whitaker etc.

    That is all :good
     
  14. Whiskers

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    PeteDawg, I'm not trying to make out his legacy has enhanced the same way it would have done if he beat him a few years ago. Just wondering how much he made up for not fighting him. Going by the comments, not completely I take it.

    And I know he didn't dominate in the manner everyone was expecting. I admit I didn't think he would struggle as much as he did, and it did make me wonder how close it would have been back down at 147 when Cotto was at his best.
     
  15. Whiskers

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    Thanks Bill Butcher.

    As much as they should fight, I actually think they don't need to. That's why it hasn't happened yet. They both know they can get away with ignoring eachother (as evident with the past 3 years). They both have been fighting opponents who haven't been our first choices, and we've still been buying their fights lol. It pains me to see because it's Mayweather vs Cotto, Margarito and Williams all over again. As in there is a opponent that is high in demand for him, but the fight isn't being made for whatever reason. Even if it does happen now the plethora of it has dried up a huge amount, where a victory over him now won't be worth as much as it would have done in 2010.