How much (if at all) did Roy Jones's losses change your view of him, ATG?

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  1. KO_King

    KO_King Horizontal Heavyweight Full Member

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    But context is key here. You have one fighter who goes from being one of the most dominant in history to squeaking by ... And then getting knocked out (I don't think he looked 'the same' in the rematch). And it's not like he ever scaled those heights again. The decline began with Tarver and continued.
    Whereas Tarvers career showed he was a very good fighter, but not exceptional.
    And it's a matter of styles. Jones was a speed and reflexes fighter - they tend to age sooner, and more dramatically.
    I am not taking anything away from Tarver. He went in with Jones when his reputation was still sky high and best him. And He had tremendous self belief. But his career, overall, showed him to be a bit of a hot and cold fighter. Whereas Jones was hot... until he was not.
     
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  2. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Harding was not ended by Tarver and the problem with Harding was he had one foot in the streets and the other in the ring. He posted wins over an unbeaten Judha and contender Telesco after getting beat by Tarver.
    Name me one boxer that Lincoln Carter ever beat? Chris Johnson was a talented amateur who just never really did as well in the pros as people thought he would- he got actually stopped by Graham who was way past his best so that should tell you the level of Johnsons pro game.
    The Olympic gold medal is the highest amateur award a boxer can win and Roy won and Tarver DID NOT even though he was heavily favored to win one.
    Why in the hell would Roy face a Gomez or a Jirov in the amateurs when they were weight classes ABOVE Jones? You do know on the way to his gold medal Roy did not lose a single round?
     
  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Lol at talking about Daniel Judah. That guy was a fraud who got a draw in an atrocious robbery against Glen Johnson and then got his ass kicked by Leterlough for a "draw." He lost basically every fight after that including to the shell of Eric Harding. Just a bum gravy training off his brother's name. Telesco was just a journeyman by thr time he fought Harding. Harding went from top five material to top 30 at best after Tarver beat the daylights out of him.

    World Am Championships are the equivalent to the Olympics, and Tarver won that plus Pan Am and an Olympic medal. He was fighting better guys than Roy who turned pro instead of having a run on top.

    As for the careers of Carter and Chris Johnson? Guess we'll never know since they got game overed.
     
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  4. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pretty sure Carter was not going anywhere. Chris Johnson was already explained to you.
     
  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I'm gettin' the last word here, pal.
     
  6. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How many years in the pro ranks did Tarver go unbeaten again?
    And what year do you think Tarver was pound for pound the best boxer in the world?
     
  7. NoNeck

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    Worse career than Jones.

    Also blasted Jones out when Jones was in solid form.
     
  8. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course Jones was in soild form having started his career as a JR.Middleweight.
    I am almost positive Jones had just entered his prime at Light Heavy when he met the southpaw version of Bob Foster- Antonio Tarver.
    I mean if not for Tarver Jones might have moved up to heavyweight and cleaned house!
    I mean anyone that beats all time great Johnathan Banks like Tarver did ............
     
  9. NoNeck

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    Foster never showed Tarver's kind of chin above 175 or even at 175.
     
  10. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course he did not because we all know Johnathan Banks and Danny Green are equal to Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier right? Doug Jones is lucky he did not have to face a boxer like a Banks or Green.
     
  11. NoNeck

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    He did once fight a southpaw named Mustafa Wasajja.
     
  12. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I mean where do you rank Tarver among the greats at light heavy? 1?
     
  13. mr. magoo

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    Not really at all. The man was superb in his prime and started going down hill real fast once he hit 35. I would have liked to see him retire a lot sooner and with a cleaner record though
     
  14. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I was around his entire career ... even before he turned pro.

    All his losses from Tarver on totally changed my perception of him. I don't compartmentalize boxers' careers. Their whole career is all theirs.

    For the first 14 years of his career ... Roy Jones was amazing.

    The last 20 years of his career was mediocre, at best.

    But it was all his. He has to own all of it.

    I never saw a guy totally ruin a great career like Roy Jones did.