how much more would calzaghe have to do to get the respect he deserves?

Good point. Everyone knows finishing off a shot Jones means so much now.

 

Ottke wasn't interested in exposure in the US, he got far too well paid fighting in Germany to have to be concerned with that. Ottke in any case fought Johnson in 1999 when Johnson had lost every time he went anywhere near World class. I wasn't advocating Calzaghe fight him then, when the effect wouldn't have been any bigger than beating Sheika (who himself beat Johnson around that time before fighting Calzaghe).

I did specify 2004. At that point Johnson had beaten Harding and Woods, and had something of a name stateside.

 

You really are a crap poster robert lol you lack reading comprehension or you just skip posts and then make false assumptions about what people talking about. We was talking about a character flaw of how he didnt seem to always have the killer instinct to finish people off when he should have. We wasnt saying it would make him or his resume any better. Also please ive asked lots of times now, give me a detailed account of what you would have done as calzaghe to improve your career.

 

Thats great Robertv77, but you havent put any counter points over, still when you have tried, you have made alot of mistakes so I can understand you not wanting to be schooled again, but please give me a laugh, put some points over.

A seperate point to assist you on posting. To make what others have posted stand out so the define between what you typed and what others have said, highlight the parts of someones post you want to show and go to the quote icon and press enter, but if you are going to highlight the hole thing remove the existing [/quote] that is up when you want to reply with quote

 

I see where your coming from, but still all the same Johnson did lose when Joe was ringside blowing his chance, but yes I know what your saying

 

That was two years later....

 

Not getting knocked down by jones and hopkins would have helped.

 

I realise that but I still dont think Joe would have got much credit, or really bolstered his career in the same way, stepping up then, It would have been why didnt he fight Tarver who was top man then etc, but still in truth Johnson was tied up in 04, he drew with Woods at the end of 03, after beating Woods in 04 (a fight he would have taken over most others) then got a series of known fights against Jones and Tarver. Calzaghe would have to of stepped up then to LHW at that time and may never have been right going back down to SMW, if that was the case he never would then have gone on to win his IBF WBC WBA & Ring SMW titles which is what alot of us rate him for

 

Happens, Jones got knocked down in his prime, Hopkins got knocked down twice in one fight and couldnt do enough to win, but with Calzaghe he came straight back and won both of them, and the Jones knockdown wasnt with the fist part of the glove

 

Johnson got the fight with Jones after the Calzaghe fight was postponed, Calzaghe wanted to rearrange, but Johnson understandably considered Jones a better offer. If the Calzaghe/Johnson fight had gone ahead as scheduled, Calzaghe may have been in line for that fight with Jones and for one with Tarver (it's not like there was anyone else kicking around light heavyweight at that time).

Calzaghe would not have unified the SMW belts, but Kessler would have (no reason to think Kessler and Lacy don't fight is there or that Kessler doesn't win?). Kessler would have gone after Calzaghe with a big rep and a top ten P4P ranking himself after having taken out Lacy and as undisputed SMW champion. Calzaghe still beats Kessler.

Whether or not Hopkins still ends up at LHW is arguable. If he does, Calzaghe still beats him, but maybe the win has less value.

I did cover all this in my original post...

 

I know all of this. But he ended his career with two fights a lot of people wanted to see happen before, and in these two fights he came in supremely confident, and all of the UK fans were rabid to see Joe decisively beat both opponents.

Yet, he was still knocked down in the first round by both men. Kind of puts a damper on his plan to build a legacy with two final fights before retiring.

Now, if HE had knocked both HOPKINS and JONES down in the first round, and then thrashed them for the rest of the fights, I could more comfortably give him the legacy-building respect he planned to gain in those fights.

 

I did read it.
See your logic but your guessing Kessler goes up to LHW, possible I suppose, Kessler dosent duck anyone.
But then Calzaghe would have had a SMW resume that ignorant fans would have slaughtered
Your post with the ratings on earlier was a fantastic post, by the way

 

Joe looked embarrassed after the knock downs and I was unconvinced by his de la hoya like pitter patter combinations. Yeah he must've landed at least one good shot on Roy to cause that cut, but I didn't see the dominance Joe wanted to show. I was watching a fresher guy outpace two old men, and both of them still managed to put him down.

 

But he still won, at the end of the day, even with pitter patter combinations. Jones did say after the fight that they were a bit harder than he thought