How much of a home advantage do U.S fighters get?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by tottenham dave, May 27, 2012.


  1. tottenham dave

    tottenham dave Member Full Member

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    Unfortunately (in sporting terms) money rules, and you rarely see the real 'big' fights happening any where other than the US. Especially if it's a US fighter.

    On the evidence of last nights Froch-Bute demolition, the venue probably wouldn't have made a whole lot of difference to the result, but in my opinion Froch definitely gained an advantage from fighting in front of a partisan crowd. Not only that, but he said himself he was only 10 minutes from the gym in training, and the comforts of home were certainly of benefit to him.

    Is it fair that US fighters always get home advantage?

    Would many of the excellent US fighter's records be as good if they were forced to take their game on the road, and face an intimidating atmosphere, loss of the luxuries of home, and being away from their families?

    The rest of the World's fighters have to do this.

    If Pacquiao was fighting Mayweather tomorrow, my money would be on Mayweather. However, if the fight was happening in Manila, I would have no hesitation in backing Pac.

    The elite US fighters only fighting on home soil is a bit like Barcelona only ever playing matches in the Camp Nou. Or Man United only ever playing at Old Trafford.

    In most sports there's an equal distribution of venues, you usually got a 'home' and 'away' fixture each year. Now whilst I appreciate boxing is different in that you don't face the same opponents twice a year, every year, I do feel it would be better for the sport as a whole if there wasn't such a concentration of elite fights happening in the backyard of the fighters from the US.
     
  2. tezel8764

    tezel8764 Boxing Junkie banned

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    I think it's 'a' factor, but not the 'defining' factor.
     
  3. tottenham dave

    tottenham dave Member Full Member

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    Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to discredit any American fighters at all, I just think I'd rate them a bit more if they also had to uproot and get out of their comfort zone occasionally.
     
  4. Big Left

    Big Left Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Home advantage is massive. Look at the Super 6 - the home fighter won every fight. Winning abroad at the top level is tough to do, many top fighters make their name at home so it really puts them out of their comfort zone to fight away.
     
  5. tottenham dave

    tottenham dave Member Full Member

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    I agree.

    I'd love to see Mayweather - Pac in Manila.

    I think it would be a completely different story to Vegas or somewhere.
     
  6. Atlanta

    Atlanta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What do you mean by Home? East Coast is substantially different from West Coast and the North is very different from the South.

    For example, if Andre Ward fought Chavez Jr. in Los Angeles at the Staples Center, the crowd would be overwhelmingly pro-Chavez even though he's from Mexico and the fight is happening in Ward's home state. Same thing can be seen in Mayweather fights, he fough Gatti( a canadian-italian) in the United States, the crowd was entirely pro-Gatti. Dawson, traveled to Canada to fight Jean Pascal, the crowd was entirely pro-Pascal even though its a relatively short drive from New England/New York to Montreal.

    Now with that said, Kelly Pavlik did manage to get fans to travel from Ohio to NJ to see him fight. But he's a rare exception, and home advantages are pretty much contained to a hundred miles outside of the home city. The only time that's been challenged is in College sports, especially with those neutral ground games.
     
  7. tottenham dave

    tottenham dave Member Full Member

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    Well, you're still talking within borders there, and whilst I appreciate that the US is a big place, you can't compare it to fighters and their fans crossing continents and multiple time zones.

    Using the Pac/Floyd example again, do you think Floyd would have a tougher task fighting in Manila?
     
  8. RazorHandz

    RazorHandz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    At the top level fighters perform the same regardless where the fight takes place. You only get advantages/handicap in officiating and judging.

    Also you need to realize that the US is a federation of states and one state is culturally and ethnically different from the other. For example a mexican american fighter like Ortiz would have home advantage fighting on the west coast (particularly in California) where a lot of mexican americans live but not on the east coast. An american state is almost a country within a country.

    And Pacquiao hasn't fought in the Philippines in 6 years. He's almost as much of a draw in the states as Floyd is so Floyd wouldn't have any home advantage.
     
  9. tottenham dave

    tottenham dave Member Full Member

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    But you're only talking about fighters who are based in the US.

    I'm talking about the rest of the planet, and the upheaval needed to fight continents away.

    How about my Floyd question there?

    If the answer is "yes, it would be tougher for Floyd to fight Pac in Manila" then, by definition, Mayweather will get an advantage by fighting in the US.

    ANYWHERE in the US.
     
  10. Player3

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    Are you seriously implying that Mayweather has the equivalent "advantage" fighting Pacquiao in Vegas as Pacquiao would fighting him in Manila? :blood
     
  11. tottenham dave

    tottenham dave Member Full Member

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    I'm saying I'd rate Floyd more if at least 1 of his 43 fights were outside of the US.
     
  12. RazorHandz

    RazorHandz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Like I said my previous post, Pacquiao has been fighting in the US for the last 6 years. He has an american promoter and he has even done bigger gate and ppv numbers than Floyd in this country.

    Floyd wouldn't have as much of a home advantage anywhere in the US as Pac would have in the PIs. That's ludicrous. You're comparing a small 3rd world country where Pac is the biggest star bar none to a huge confederation of states where Floyd is far from being the biggest star.
     
  13. 1_man_army

    1_man_army The Knockout King Full Member

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    Depends on the city/state the fight is in, Vegas & NY are pretty fair because they both have a very long history of holding big event type of fights with fighters from all over.

    Where as if a fight is in Texas or Missouri or somewhere like that where a home fighter is involved then you just know that the other guy is going to be shafted.
     
  14. tottenham dave

    tottenham dave Member Full Member

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    This is not about Floyd anyway, that was just an example.

    This is about the lack of away wins for American fighters, because everything's on their doorstep.
     
  15. tottenham dave

    tottenham dave Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao is only based in the US because that's the only place the big fights will happen due to money.

    I bet he'd love a fight at home, as would the 40,000 screaming fans that would affect the visiting Floyd.

    Regardless of north/south/east/west US, the fact is, foreign fighters fighting in the US are at a disadvantage due to upheaval, and not having their "true" fans with them.

    I'd just like to see a redressing of the balance.