How much of a home advantage do U.S fighters get?

What did I assume?

 

We both agreed home advantage has an effect but you won't admit to what extent and what variables may come into play.I'm going to assume here:Froch nevers beats Ward unless Ward is shot or it's in England with Parriss as the ref.Bute Never beats Froch.Never.Unless of course,Froch is shot as he's quickly approaching 35.Hatton NEVER beats Mayweather(unless of course Parriss is the ref in England,than Wicky has a shot).Calzaghe always beats Kessler.Just better classes of fighters.

 

You assumed Froch would beat Bute.

 

Going out for a pint.Good debating with you.See ya tomorrow

 

There are immeasurable variables. This is obvious.

In every sport in the world home advantage matters, even football teams whose grounds are 5 miles apart have much better home records. But it's impossible to measure those variables because they are not length or weight or distance.

 

No I didn't.

I thought Froch would beat Bute.

I bet Froch would beat Bute.

I assume nothing.

 

Home court is always an advantage but in the US it is minimal compared to other countries. Americans have been spoiled with so many talented athletes in all sports so blind patriotic support is very rare and they are more apt to turn on you for fighters from other nations than vice versa.

 

Obviously.This isn't science or math.

 

One of the definitions of assume is to believe something without proof.You most certainly assumed Froch would beat Bute.

 

If it's so ****ing considerable, then why are you people giving Froch any credit whatsoever for his win against Bute?

By your logic, he wouldn't have performed anywhere near as well in a neutral venue or in front of a partisan crowd in Quebec or Romania, right?

By the way, I have to ask this question again: how did Ward have a home field advantage against Froch while they were fighting several thousand miles away from the one city where he has an appreciable fan support?

 

No, I had an opinion on who would win the fight based on watching their previous fights.

I thought Froch had too much for Bute based on, amongst other things...

• Froch has fought consistantly at the higher level
• Andrade nearly beat Bute in Montreal
• Froch has beaten better fighters than Andrade
• The fight was not in Montreal

I didn't know Froch would win. I didn't assume Froch would win.


But I did think Froch would win.

 

Because he beat Bute. If a fighter wins they get credit for the win, obviously.

If a fighter wins at home, you have to take it into consideration that they had an advantage. Froch may smash Bute in Montreal, but it isn't proven until it happens. Ward may play out an identical 115-113 victory over Froch in England, but Ward will probably never fight anyone outside of America. So as with Mayweather - we will only be able to judge him as another protected American who fought every fight without travelling overseas.

Because the fight was in America. Ward's home country. If you have to ask that question multiple times, you have problems.

 

I haven't read every single response (Thread too long, time too limited.) but although I think the question is a valid one, it's also very dependant on the circumstances.

For one, fighting in the US does not mean that that the US fighter will be fighting in front of a partisan crowd.
For example, When Davey Moore fought Duran, it was a Duran crowd, despite the fight being held on US soil.
Across the border, when Leonard fought Duran, it was another Duran crowd, despite Montreal being the site of Leonard's Olympic win.

I think the US fight crowd is a lot less likely to root for their own, unlike say the Brits. The Brits get behind their guy 100%, but that's not always the case in the US.
It really depends though...Tony Lopez enjoyed a big advantage when fighting in Sacramento, because he was a god there.
The crowd was always a big and intimidating Lopez crowd. Ditto for someone like Virgil Hill fighting in Bismarck.

It's not about where the fight is being held, but rather how partisan the crowd is. That's really the big thing.

Pac fighting Mayweather in Vegas (to use an example) will not afford an advantage to either fighter. The crowd will be split in it's loyalties, maybe even in Pac's favour. Manny is extremely popular over there and has fought many times on US soil.

But even so...many US fighters have travelled outsde their border and emerged the winner.

To name a few:
John Tate fought Kallie Knoetze in Boputathswana...technically a South African puppet state.
Mike Weaver fought and beat Coetzee and Du Plooy in South Africa, Page beat Coetzee, and all these fights happened smack bang in the Apartheid days...now that's courage!

 

Succinct and bang on point. :good

 

Because britards are ******ed.