How much of a home advantage do U.S fighters get?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by tottenham dave, May 27, 2012.


  1. CASH_718

    CASH_718 "You ****ed Healy?" Full Member

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    I love how people care more about WHERE the fights are instead of how they fight and who they fight.
     
  2. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    This has become the unified cry baby built in excuse from people who clearly have no real understanding of American culture, obviously struggle to grasp the size of the country, and fail to embrace the idea that "styles", "fighters", trainers, skill level, make fights...have never heard the "locations make fights" cliche'.
     
  3. CASH_718

    CASH_718 "You ****ed Healy?" Full Member

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    Russia is part of Asia genius.
     
  4. tottenham dave

    tottenham dave Member Full Member

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    I understand all that.

    But by only having the fights in the US, you are depriving genuine home advantage from the rest of the planet's fighters.

    When a UK fighter fights in Vegas, you might get 2000-3000 Brits come over for it.

    Compare that with 40,000 in a football stadium for the same fight in the UK.

    You cannot compare it.
     
  5. crimson

    crimson Boxing Addict banned

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    Strawman argument.
    No one ever stated that.
     
  6. crimson

    crimson Boxing Addict banned

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    Uhm no. It is a bi-continental country.
     
  7. tottenham dave

    tottenham dave Member Full Member

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    Or that could be the inbuilt excuse for insular Americans?
     
  8. RazorHandz

    RazorHandz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you're talking about guys who primarily fight in their country and suddenly have to fight in the US (Sturm/Oscar), yes you have point. But that's not the case for Pacquiao, he's been fighting in the states for years, Floyd has never fought in the philippines.
     
  9. Jr Middleweight

    Jr Middleweight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm an American that agrees with you.

    I would love to see an American boxer leave his country for some culture shock to go along with his opponent in the ring. It can mess you up in the head. Which is why Kirkland has my ultimate respect.

    I truly believe Butes balls shrank and he got intimidated by being in an arena in Nottingham loaded with a bunch of crazy English. It brings that Lynch mob fear right to your door step.

    I see it with team U.S.A. in soccer all of the time. At home, we feel we can hang with anyone. but as soon as we pack our bags and play Mexico in Mexico or England in England, we get our asses kicked.
     
  10. tottenham dave

    tottenham dave Member Full Member

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    Look, we could be here all night and day, going around in circles.

    In my opinion, US fighters should leave their shores occasionally, as it would prove what they are made of, and it would be better for the sport.
     
  11. crimson

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    Even IN US professional sports, home field advantage matters. And that is within the US.

    No one is saying US is some homogenous country like some in Europe. But to dismiss home country advantage because some Mexicans live in the south west is dumb. **** NC and Duke are separated by miles, same ethnic groups and socioeconomic standing - do you think home field does not matter? And before you answer that you should ask the coaches and players.

    Face it, there is a reason why fighters negotiate HOME FIELD. If it did not matter to these top athletes it would not be negotiated.
     
  12. RazorHandz

    RazorHandz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But foreign fighters fight in the US because they have something to gain (big promoters and networks, lucrative venues) they're not doing it for the sake of the sport so why would you want american fighters to do it? Your standards should be the same for all fighters across the board.
     
  13. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Its not much of an advantage if it's on a a fair venue like in vegas , atlantic city or maybe msg ny. Look big fights, huge fights happen most of the time in america. Look at the greats back then like leonard vs hagler/hearns/duran? oscar vs trinidad/vargas/hopkins/mayweather? Look chavez sr a legend and when he fought oscar, it was in america. Oscar vs Trinidad happen in america.
     
  14. Jr Middleweight

    Jr Middleweight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Smh at some of my American compatriots logic.

    Ok so its alright for Mexican fighters to constantly fight in Mexico because Northern Mexico is a night and day difference with Southern Mexico. They are completely different culturally and even skin tones vary as northern Mexicans are whiter than southern Mexicans. I've been in both areas studying and they are almost a different country.

    Therefore, Americans don't have homefield advantage because of the east and west coast thing. it doesn't make sense

    Let's mix it up a bit is all the op saying.
     
  15. EnzoRD

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    I was at the Carl Froch fight, and I think "lynch mob" is a better word to use than partisan. That was some crowd. And fairplay to the Bute fans, they made some noise.

    For a fighter that is always used to fighting on home soil, that has got to have some negative effect.

    Also, Carl Froch is a different fighter at home. He was absolutely buzzing last night.

    But we all know this. Everyone knows that American boxers had, and still have for years got home advantage.

    We would have seen different champions down the line no doubt, but that doesn't take away the fact that America has had some amazing champions that would have done the business anywhere.