How much of a natural size difference between Floyd and Pac?

the length of his arms and the strength of his high right hand and rolled left shoulder were a huge part of that fight.

floyd was able to pick marquez shots off easily, much easier than he does with a larger guy. against a guy like pacquiao marquez has power. against mayweather it was like a bug on a windshield.

for the most part he wouldnt even need to pick the shots off. they were coming up short.

floyd's speed and his skills were obviously the most important factor in the fight, but his size was a huge advantage. you don't need to be leaning on a guy and beating on him all night for an advantage in size to show up. it can be as simple as having longer arms and taking larger steps.

 

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He also said Mayweather's very fast and a good counter puncher.

But that's besides the point, so using Marquez words you reckon Mayweather weighed over 165 on fight night?

I think you might have taken his words out of context, not paying attention to the fact that Mayweather was his first fight at 147 so of course he's going to notice a significant difference in weight... This doesn't mean however that Mayweather weighed more than 151.

 

:deal

 

Marquez did say Mayweather was much bigger than he was.
For most of Marquez' fights at lightweight, he climbed the ring weighing anywhere from 138 lbs to 141 lbs.
It was the fight before Mayweather against Katsidis that Marquez bulked himself a few extra pounds to 145 lbs on fight night, I believe in anticipation of moving up to the next weight class after the Katsidis fight.

My point is that here was man in Marquez accustomed to climbing a ring around the very low 140 lbs, against a fighter in Mayweather who was used to climbing a ring at 150 lbs, even trying his hand abover that against DLH.

Their accustomed weights on fight night were about 10 lbs apart, and it showed in the ring.

 

Corrales had a bigger reach and was taller than Mayweather, he still got knocked out though.

Margarito was taller and physically stronger than Pacquaio however still got busted up.

 

It probably does. It definitely doesn't mean Floyd was 165+, as JMM would imply. But that's my point: boxers are usually not credible on these things. And who's got more of straighttalking rep, JMM or FMJ? Who refused to be weighed in on HBO's scale next day?

 

What choice did Marquez have than to attempt to get to Mayweather from those distances.

If you're smaller in height and reach, its not smart to fight Mayweather from distance. Mayweather is able to use his height and reach to pullout and make Marquez miss.

Now lets go to the Mayweather being the naturally bigger and stronger fighter point. When Marquez bought his game to the inside, he was pushed, elbowed, and just tossed aside like a rag doll to the shoulder and arm rubbing pushoffs by Mayweather. The product of being much stronger physicallly then Marquez.

Marquez has no choice in this matter. He's too short to reach Mayweather from distance, and he's not strong enough from shorter distance to gain any advantage staying in close and attempting to bully the taller fighter.

Its called one fighter being physically superior in every way.

There is'nt one ****ing physical advantage Marquez held over Mayweather, not a ****ing one, and yet Mayweather is supposed to have beaten Marquez with pure skill????nut

 

Funny you mention Duran as a natural super middle, lp. I remember him on the undercard of the first show at the new Madison Square Garden in '69 or '70.

After the quick dismemberment of his opponent in the first round, he passed me ringside, smiling and accepting congrats, in a loose-flowing Hawaian shirt, looking a boyish 15, but for his terrifying black eyes. With his spiky black hair, he was the image of a young Gaspar "Indian" Ortega.

At that point, because he was short 'n hatchet faced, he looked like he'd never be more than a lightweight.

 

i'm glad there are reasonable human beings in the thread/forum :rofl

they weren't showing ESB in a very good light.

 

Doesn't look like Mayweather's tossing Marque about, elbowing and throwing him around like a ragdoll in these gifs below:

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We're on the same page here.
To fend off a stronger fighter physically like say Victor Ortiz, takes more effort on Mayweather's part than to do it againt Marquez who is vastly superior in skill to Ortiz.

The same can be said of Hatton, who was in the ballpark as far as strenghth is concerned in his attempts to bully Mayweather.
Hatton got systematically beaten down because all the other assets outiside of strenghth favored Mayweather.

If Marquez had the bullying strenghth of Ricky Hatton, he'd have made it a very intereting fight against Mayweather, but that was'nt the case.


Mayweather hardcores never like to answer this question, its just ignored.......

How would it play out if Marquez jfor all his skills was the longtime Welter and it was Mayweather the career featherweight who was now fighting at lightweight, and it was he moving up two weight divisions at the age of 36 challenging the great Welterweight Marquez who is 32 years of age????


Flip the circumstances around and have it be Mayweather the older smaller fighter moving up in weight challenging Marquez who's been sucessfully at the weight for years??????

I dont think it would play out so nicely for Mayweather.
If you think it does, whats stopping Mayweather from going at it right now two divisions up against Andre Ward at 160 lbs????????

Shoes in the other foot, does'nt fit Mayweather to good does it????:yep

 

Look how easily it is for Mayweather to just lean back, just disrespecting Marquez power and strenghth.
There here gifs are exactly what I did to my little cousins when I was 16 and they were 12. Vast difference in stature and stenghth.

Mayweather has no respect for Marquez' strenghth or punching power there.
Against fighter who's strenghth Mayweather respects, he'd be driven all the way to the ropes and not stand there so liesurely.

 

I doubt Mayweather would even take that challenge lol.

 

Ummm,who cares? Also hes fought how many times in the last 5 years?
You make it sound like a lot.

He weighed in on fightnight and weighed 148 against Hatton
He weighed in on fight night and weighed 150 against Ortiz

What do you think he weighed against Marquez? 170???

Marquez weighed 142 at the weigh in, its well within reason he weighed 148 on fight night,since he weighed 145 against Katsidis ahen he fought at LW

Mayweather WALKS AROUND under 160.

Heres a clip of him weighing in at that silly WWE thing with clothes on, out of training, weighing 159. 0.45-0.50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAmfsAt5nUk