How much of a natural size difference between Floyd and Pac?

Corrales is a completely different circumstance.
Mayweather is'nt moving up in weight to face Corrales, in fact its well documented Corrales was having a hell of a time making 130 lbs and was severely drained.
The reach issue is irrelevant as Corrales could never use his reach even on a midget. His style was to fight arms tucked in and shooting hooks from the inside, watch the Castillo fight.
It would have benefited Corrales to use his reach on Castillo, but he prefers it and is much more comfortable on the inside.

Be reasonable about your points here.
A fighter that reach's troubled Mayweather was DLH's. In that fight, Mayweather had to work overtime and was never comfortable gettting away from the jab of DLH's.

 

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That's the type of question which could be applied to any fight relationship.

It's a difficult question to answer because there's noway of telling what a 36 year old Mayweather at lightweight would look like . What the hell? Are you saying Mayweather right now versus a 32 year old Marquez? Help me out. I'd love to answer this question for you but there's too many intangibles and missing links.

Like I said that sort of question could be applied to everyone. For instance, what if Mayweather was as big as Corrales, or Mayweather was as big as Ortiz when they had fought - roles reversed speaking. Mayweather would have knocked out both, and Ortiz quicker. Honestly, it's a bit of a bizarre question but I'd love to answer it if you can help me work out what state of a 36 year old Mayweather would look like.

Ok let me try answer this, Mayweather and Marquez are an inch apart so height wouldn't be so different. So what you're saying is a 36 year old Mayweather (the one that fought Cotto) versus the 32 year old Marquez that fought Pac - yeah Mayweather still beats him handily.

Mayweather and Marquez have fought the same number of divisions - five. So Mayweather needs to move up two more to feel what Marquez has gone through. Ok atsch

 

So how come Pacquaio was able to move up two weight divisions (after struggling with JMM in their second fight) batter De La Hoya at 147 - who a year before was pushing Mayweather around at 154?

Yet Marquez tries to do the same against Mayweather, yet according to you hasn't got the power and strength to impose on Mayweather...

Yet a year later that same Marquez was able to school Pacquaio and after than even knock him out?

Am I missing something here...

 

Yeah Mayweather totally disrespecting Ortiz's (who weighed more than 16lbs) strength here too as well

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So Corralles was weight drained even thought he fought at 130lb before and after that fought. Ok.

Mayweather still beat De La Hoya who had over 16lbs on him that night. Mayweather only had 4lbs on JMM, and didn't even try to bully him the way Oscar did with Mayweather.

Marquez has only himself to blame at the end of the day, he trained for strength instead of speed against Mayweather. He should have focused on where his advantages lie. When Mayweather fought Oscar he focused on speed, choosing to come in at 150 instead of the target 154.

 

What people have to understand is that Mayweather's style is unique. He trained hard to perfect his craft. He's always going to have an advantage over an opponent because he worked hard for perfection.

Perhaps the likes of JMM should train three times a day and maintain their weight if they ever want a chance at beating Mayweather. Floyd makes it easy because all the hard work is done in the gym.

 

that's timing more than it is physical strength.

ortiz backed mayweather to the ropes on a few occasions. so did cotto with his jab. marquez never once backed mayweather up with his power and physical strength. if floyd was on the ropes (he fought virtually all of the fight in the center of the ring,) it was because he stepped there, not because he was pushed.

 

So what if he wasn't affected, I was answering someone else's question about Mayweather tossing Marquez around like a rag doll, elbowing him etc. All those claims he made were fictional, and he still hasn't proven me wrong. Instead, diverting the question to away to say Marquez's punches weren't affecting Mayweather.

So what anyway, Mayweather's punches were hardly affecting De La Hoya, Baldomir, etc.

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Someone else said it best, Mayweather never respected Marquez strength or power. At any point in the fight. I'm not sure what all this has to do with the original question. Even If Marquez were to be the same size as May, he'd probably still lose but it would be a waaaaay better fight. Marquez moving up 2 weight classes in a Welter DEBUT was really a joke of a fight IMO. Overrated win for May.

 

So Mayweather last fight saw him move up to fight a "younger" Cotto, who significantly outweighed him.

His never fight sees him at the age of 36, after a 'one year layoff' fight an "almost 10 year younger" Guerrero who will outweigh him on fight night.

That's a very clear disadvantage for either of those two fighters.

 

This and the fact that he rarely steps into the ring with a clear disadvantage OVERALL. You're either shot, old or smaller than May. And if you don't have much skill (like Ortiz), you're ****ed.

 

Even though Mayweather was coming off a two year layoff. Ok.

 

Why is this still happening.

 

Wait... ring age is different. Only because Meldrick Taylor was still in his mid 20's it didn't mean he was still "young" in the ring. He was shot to death. Before Cotto faced Money, he was SHOT as ****. He had 2 wars vs Maragrito (one in which he was truly beaten bad) and one with Pac in which he was also beat bad. He also had a very tough fight vs Clottey. His age was irrelevant.

I thought we agreed on the WEIGHT argument? Cotto is a SMALL Jr Middleweight. He is a midget. Only because Cotto can't make weight to fight at 147, it doesn't mean he is a beast at 154. Why do you think May was willing to fight him? You think May is stupid? Sure he knew Cotto was going to weigh more but May also knew that he was faster, longer reach and taller. He knew Cotto was slow at 154. He knew Cotto was SHOT. This Cotto was not the same guy who fought Mosley. The dynamics of the fight change ya dig?