How much of a natural size difference between Floyd and Pac?

Bro, since when have "layoffs" affected May? The guy has been fighting once a year for the past 4 years lol. The more you fight, the more wear and tear. Let's not forget that May isn't a couch potato either. He stays active even when he doesn't fight. The layoff praise is a myth.

 

Ok I see your point about Cotto, and we kind of agree with it for now to push through this debate. But what about Guerrero... do you mean to tell me that it'll be an easy fight for Mayweather considering all the intangibles?

 

I know what you mean but find it hilarious when people use it as a reason for Mosley losing to Mayweather? But when Mayweather takes long layoffs it's ok.

 

If Mayweather is the same guy we've seen in the past, I don't think he'll have problems with Guerrero. Guerrero is young, and strong. Even though Guerrero started at 126, I'm not going to use that as an excuse like some idiots do here and say he is the smaller guy. I'm basing this on the present, and I believe Guerrero is slightly the bigger man overall. There is no excuse in this fight. I don't see disadvantages for Guerrero. Not the weight, age or him being shot. This fight is all about skill. I believe May will beat him just because he has the superior skill. May on the the other hand does have the clear disadvantage in AGE. Not sure what May we will see. Obviously May is a guy who has been able to take care of himself throughout his career. This is as good as it gets for a 36 year old. But you're still human and eventually he will slow down. That's the only thing I find interesting about this fight. I'm curious to see how May will look. Even though Guerrero has good size and is young, if May brings his A game, I don't see him having much problems. I'd be shocked if he would lose. But you never know, Guerrero has a style of fighting that May hates. If Guerrero is aggressive BUT SMART, this could be an interesting fight.

 

evidently you can move up two weight classes at the end of your career and not be at a disadvantage for size...

 

Nah that's bull. I don't buy that ****. I don't care If Mosley was still active, he wasn't winning the fight at age 38-39 vs the best P4P fighter in the world. Look bro, to beat May, you need to be at YOUR BEST! Nothing less! IMO, you have NO CHANCE of beating him if you have disadvantages like, past prime, shot or being smaller. You already have to deal with his natural skill and intelligence (which I think is his greatest quality). What makes you think you have a chance if you give him more advantages? The only guys who could have gave him a run for his money were, Oscar, Mosley and Cotto but ONLY if they were in equal form/prime to May. Marquez is awesome but I think he is too small overall, even if they fought at the same age.

 

Bout ten pounds or thereabouts, though I think both of their optimal weights are lower than what they are fighting at. Pac should have spent his career at lightweight and Floyd should be a regular welterweight.

Pac has nearly the same dimensions as Roberto Duran and May is a little bit smaller than Ray Leonard. Their careers have a similar type of trajectory too if the Montreal fight never happened. That is if Paul Williams were Tommy Hearns, Sergio Martinez were Marvin Hagler, and Juan Manuel Marquez were Esteban de Jesus.

 

Let me ask you a simple question to shut you up.

Do you think the current 36 year old version of Mayweather would compete against a quicker, faster, slightly bigger version of both height, reach and weight of himself just one divsion up at 154 lbs assuming both versions have equal skill levels????

How would Mayweather fare against someone of equal capabilities but who edges him out in every single physical catergory????

The bigger version of Mayweather would clearly beat the smaller Mayweather and beat him handily.

I can then look at that fight and say, "No, being bigger was'nt a factor, the bigger fighter simply did everything better from the center of the ring and size was'nt a factor."

The truth will be that the smaller version of Mayweather feels the other fighter in front of him being quicker, faster, stronger, thus effecting the way the smaller fighter goes about his business in the ring.

A smaller fighter is'nt going to take as much risks because he knows that his margin for error is less than fighter who has the advantages physically.


Mayweather is skilled sure, maybe even more skilled than Marquez, we dont really know for sure. But size is a factor. It was a factor in the Marquez fight and it would have been one in a Pacquiao fight.

Stop with this nonsense that Pacquiao beat bigger fighters than Mayweather. Those fighters skill level were on par or below Pacquiao's.

When you have comparable skill, you need physical attributes, attributes that were all on Mayweather's side against Marquez, I dont know how anyone can argue they were a non factor when clearly even Mayweather thinks so.
He's superior to Canelo in every facet but is afraid of the gap in skill is'nt that far between them that Canelo's size and youth would be served.

Of course size is a factor!

 

So I decided to use a more practical approach to this question.

I calculated the ADULT(18yrs+) fight weights of Manny and Floyd.

Manny's average weight through his career 122 lbs. (I took the 1st 10 fight out, he was under 18yrs old)

Floyd's average weight through his career 130lbs.

Only 8 lbs people...I rank them as career Featherweight and Lightweight respectively, as I don't recognize the in between weight classes for ATG ranking's. I lump into traditional weight classes.

This makes them 1 weight class apart and demonstrates that this fight, while fun wwas never necessary for either of them.

 

Even when the only reason you're making the lower weight is because you dehydrating yourself dry and coming into the ring 10lbs heavier?

And fighting a guy who doesnt do that..at all?

Marquez was a HUGE LW, he cut weight to make 135,then put on 10lbs overnight to fight.

Mayweather weighs in at 147,and may put on 3-5lbs over night.

Mayweather has fought guys throughout his career who had much bigger size advantages then he had over Marquez.

Ortiz was 14lbs heavier than him.
Baldomir had roughly the same advantages
Castillo and Corrales all had 10+lbs weight advantages,(Corrales was 4 inches taller on top)

But when Marquez gives up an inch in height and 4-5 lbs of weight, we're all supposed to believe that theres some huge weight difference?

Even if he came in at the exact same weight he came in at against Katsidis(145lbs),he'd only have been giving up around 6lbs.

And im pretty sure he allowed himselfto carry a few more lbs when he fought at WW

 

Great post Divac..a man with common sense.

 

Who cares? Did you wander into a wrong thread? It's this simple: you refuse next day weighin, and you forfeit the right to make self serving claims about your weight that night or at least to be taken seriously by anyone with any objectivity.

We also have JMM statement that Floyd was 20lbs heavier. If JMM will exaggerate about these matters, what makes Floyd immune? It's not like he's any more credible in general. And here he refused next day weighin AND failed to make the contracted catchweight by 2lbs. So you really have to be a true believer to argue he was negligibly bigger that night.

 

Are you serious? So what's all this talk about May not capable of weighing more than 150?

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/sep/20/floyd-mayweather-juan-manuel-marquez

 

For shits n' giggles I just averaged Marquez's and Mosley's Career Weights as a well.

4 fighter's average adult Pro fighting weight

Lightweights
Mayweather 130lbs.(avg.) ht. 5'8"
Mosley 137lbs.(avg.) ht. 5'9"

Featherweights
Marquez 126 lbs.(avg.) ht. 5'7"
Pacquiao 122lbs.(avg.) ht. 5'6.5"

Size differences seem exaggerated by most but its clear who is the same size as each other.
If I include Pac's 1st 10 fights as a minor he'd only have a 119lb average career weight lol.