How much of a natural size difference between Floyd and Pac?

And COMMON SENSE!

Before the 4th fight, they asked Roger Mayweather what he thought about the Pac vs Marquez fight, he was explaining that they both know each other very well etc tec but he also said the PAC and Marquez were the SAME SIZE. So are we also going to say that Marquez is the same size as Mayweather?

I'm going to assume that people are just being biased because I refuse to believe that dudes are that ****ing stupid to think Pac and May are the same size.

 

It was so obvious Mayweather looked much bigger than Marquez in the ring.

Getting accustomed to the weight class was part of Mayweather's strenghth advantage in the ring vs Marquez, but even today Marquez can still make 135 lbs if he tried, while Mayweather would'nt be arsed to even drop a couple of pounds from 147 lbs if it were even stipulated in the contract for him to do so.

Both Marquez and Pacquiao at this point in their careers are natural lightweights that should be fighting at the range of 135/140, and not at 147 lbs.
Mayweather would look like a malnourished ethiopian if he tried to go down to lightweight.

Mayweather obviously the naturally bigger frame of the three.

 

To a degree i agree, but i am one that believes Floyd does not perfom well above 147.

The gloves are too big, his handspeed it not as good, and he clearly just isnt as good.

For me Martinez, Canelo, and all the other TOP fighters in the division will have a massive advantage over him and he knows this.

Floyd is Floyd so i cant see him entertaining most of the bigger guys in higher weight divisions.

Canelo maybe, the rest are way too dangerous for him.

 

And i am sorry but you are wrong. Marquez and Pac WERE natural Lightweights. They are now Welterweights who perfom at their best at WW..... FACT!

They would underperform at this stage if they went below 140. People need to get over the fact that Pac USED to fight in a smaller weight division. He is a WW. Get over it and move on.

 

Looks like Divac has a brain. :good

 

The thing that's mind-boggling about seeing Mayweather in person is the length of his arms.

Was at one of the pressers on a blistering hot day in L.A. for the JMM fight. Floyd was in an open-neck sport shirt, a Hamburg hat at a jaunty angle, and carried a walking stick. As he swaggered towards me, heading for the stage, I was struck by how long his arms were. They practically scraped the ground with every step.

 

i shouldn't be getting personal, and for that i apologize. my stance remains, and it remains as the one almost universally recognized by the experts. do you really think they're all wrong? they agree with me, not you. you'll find me repeating that it's "common sense," because it is. just watch the fights. watch them more than once, if you have to.

virtually all boxing experts (trainers, credible writers, fighters, matchmakers, broadcasters) agree that pacquiao is a smaller man than floyd mayweather, and closer in size to juan manuel marquez.


so does virtually every unbiased fan.


you're not a mayweather d#ckrider, are you?

i was a fan before those two started all this ridiculous beef that's brought the discussion down to such a low level for so long. i took no part in said beef. i have no biases, certainly not toward floyd mayweather jr or manny pacquiao. i'll be a fan when all of this is over.

 

so you are saying that you felt marquez and mayweather jr were the same size when they fought?

 

So okay let's not talk about Mayweather for a second here...

Just because Marquez and Pacquaio are almost the same size, Marquez would have similar success beating Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Hatton. Obviously this is not true.

So why just because Mayweather is taller yet weighs the same as both - currently - do people think that he'll be more effective at a higher weight?

There's so many factors that come into play that just strictly using height, weight and reach as a base to arrive at a decision isn't fair.

 

Funny that you bring this up. I find it very strange that people rarely talk about this. I've always told people that this is the secret to Mayweather success (aside from his obvious skill). The length of his arms are HUGE for his style of fighting. Mayweather doesn't just use this for his counter punching and defensive style of fighting but PROTECTION. You rarely see May get hit in the body. He uses his ****ing arms like a cage around his body. This is why he's so comfortable on the ropes, while defending. On offense, he bends back and while others miss or he rolls punches, he comes back with counters with his GREAT reach, without exposing himself too much. This is why you rarely hit him flush. He perfected his style. You add his speed, intelligence, skill, stamina, and you're in for a loooong day. Mayweather does everything well. He is a complete boxer. The only weakness he has, is that he is a *****. But hey, you can't be perfect .

 

They were within a few pounds of each other on fight night. Mayweather made Marquez look silly at times with speed, timing, and defense.

 

No worries. I sometimes lash out as well. It's cool. You're also a good poster, I remember that from when posting on Boxing Scene back in the day so trying my best to make sense of your point because I know it'll be unbiased.

Wire's have definitely been crossed here...

I think yes you're correct in terms of body frame Pac is smaller but weight wise he's the same as Mayweather; and in all honesty having the smaller frame has worked out to his benefit as it allows him to pack more muscle... build a stronger frame which has shown in his fights against Margarito, Cotto, De La Hoya, Hatton etc.

Doesn't mean though that because Mayweather has a ever so slightly bigger body frame than he'll do better than Pac at 154. As justified by his fight night weights, and close fights with De La Hoya and Cotto who just about fall under the 154lb category. Another thing is that just Pacquaio could add muscle and still be effective, doesn't mean Mayweather can do the same at 154. In fact what worked in Pac's favour at 147, will hurt Mayweather - meaning he'll be slower amongst other things.

That's why boxing is determined by weight divisions because even though boxers can have slightly body frames and heights at the end of the day it's the weight that counts and equally measure up everyone.

 

atsch

 

How do we know this? JMM thought otherwise

 

So how come he's only agreed to fight night weighin one time in the past 5 years?