How much respect do British fighters get in America?

Don't forget, a point was deducted from Barrera, so that made it 117-111, 116-112 x2, had the point not been deducted. So in laymans terms, 9-3 & 8-4 x 2, seems like a decent beating to me.

Naz was undoubtedly an excellent fighter, but like so many others, did nothing to endear himself to the fans, Junior Witter please take note!

 

my point exactly. some posters like to live in magic world where naz was knocked down 14 times, didn't land a punch all night and lost on the scorecards 120-10.

 

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yeah, tito and winky looked great above 160!!

mosley? bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

 

I don't think most Americans even knew Naseem was British. Ask the average non-boxing fan who Prince Naseem Hamed is, and I'm guessing about 95% of them will think he's actually an Arab prince.

The issue is really that VERY few fighters become household names at all in the US. I'd say that most Americans would at least recognize that Lewis was someone famous if they passed by him on the streets, but that probably has as much to do with his recent stint on Celebrity Apprentice as anything.

Of active boxers, I'd say there are only a few household names:
- Oscar De La Hoya
- Roy Jones Jr.
- Evander Holyfield
- Floyd Mayweather (but not really until after the Hoya fight and Dancing With the Stars)
- MAYYYYYYYYYYYYYBE Bernard Hopkins
- MAYYYYYYYYYYYYYBE Antonio Tarver

That's about it. After that, there are very few current boxers that non-sports fans would know.

Lewis is probably one of the 10 or 15 best known living boxers in America. That's about as close to a household name as you're going to get if you're a boxer.

 

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No doubt had Joe taken those guys on, he would have been derided as a bully who only fights shorter guys!

 

Huh? I'm American and my recollection is that he was very popular here. He was a classy guy. Sometimes he didn't seem fully prepared though (Rahman) and appeared to coast on his superior size and boxing skills. Whether he was or wasn't, he didn't seem as passionate about boxing as former champs: Ali, Frazier, etc.. And, he had the misfortune of following the Tyson era, historically speaking.

 

Virtually none

 

Ok...I'll end this quickly, since you obviously don't understand...

1) Tito, Winky, and Mosley all moved up in weight to fight THE BEST. Calzaghe stayed in the softest division possible and padded his record by fighting bums from 1997ish-2006.

2) Who cares how great they looked about 160? They fought the best fighters available at numerous weight classes. Calzaghe NEVER fought the best fighters available.

3) Ever wonder why Winky, Tito, and Mosley all get so much respect? It's for stepping up and fighting the best. They won't win every fight, but JC would have losses too if he wasn't off playing with Peter Manfredo.

 

the only guy in joe's weight division that he missed out on was ottke. he's fought everyone worth fighting there and once he has finished with hopkins you'll lose another stick to hit him with as he'll be a two weight division champ.

congrats on mentioning manfredo again, i like the way you mention it like it's one of joe's major wins. maybe we should revisit old man rivers legendary trilogy with robert allen.

 

JOE MADE NO EFFORT TO MOVE UP OR DOWN IN WEIGHT TO MAKE BIG FIGHTS, and you know it. He stayed in a garbage division, and wasted his prime in obscurity. He fought nobody that was "career defining" between Eubank and Lacy. What was that? Calzaghe gave up 9 of his prime years fighting 168 lbs. bums in Europe defending his WBO title. Give me a break.

JC will never be a Tito, Mosley, RJJ, DLH, etc. They are multi-division champions, who all stepped up against big challenges. Calzaghe has as many fights (or close) as any of them...Look at the champions on Mosley's resume. Look at the champions on RJJ's or Tito's. Then look at the bums on Calzaghe's...

You know as well as I do that at 168 lbs. it is NO BIG deal to jump up a division or move down. He stayed to pad his record.

Tito won titles from 147-160
Mosley from 135-154
DLH from 130-160
RJJ from 160-Heavyweight

All Calzaghe is at age 35 is the reigning garbage 168lbs. division who never fought outside of Europe and beat Eubank and Kessler. That's it...That's all he's done. So stop playing like he's some God.

I respect boxers who achieve and fight the best. They only reason JC is undefeated is because he took the easy road.

 

How much respect do British fighters get in America? .......................who cares !

Dont get me wrong I have a lot of love for the US, but to expect Americans to show respect for anyone outside the US ( especially a Brit ) is to completely misunderstand what it is to be a modern American.

David Haye ( for example ) could go over there and smash all comers from Light heavy upto heavyweight and he would ( to most ) still be "that chinny Brit" This isnt a dig this is just how it is.

Show love to our American cousins, have fun with them , but dont expect them to be subjective about anything that aint from the US of A.

 

No offense, but that's bull****.

I know plenty of Americans (me included) who show respect to British and Foreign fighters.

Just because I (or we) don't agree with you about every fighter, doesn't mean I (or we) won't give credit where credit is due.

For a long time, Lennox Lewis was the best heavyweight in the world. I had the pleasure of meeting with him 4 times, and hanging out with him for about an hour before Mosley-Forrest 1. He's a true gentleman, and a great fighter.

The Americans that are "blind cheerleaders" for the US, I don't care for. I give my honest opinion based on how I see it.

I still think that MOST of the biggest fights to be made will be made on American soil. The money is in the USA (for boxers at least), and the exposure tends to be there.

 

True but if americans think naz was as an arab prince even though he had the broadest yorkshire accent is just plain wrong. The only brits who know who floyd would be boxing fans not casual fans. They only know tyson because he beat julius francis and frank bruno twice.

 

Everyone knew Tyson because of Mike Tyson's Punch Out on Nintendo haha.