How much significance do you place on a fighter "coming off a loss"?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by horst, Jan 6, 2011.


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  1. horst

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    I agree with everything you have said. There's no shame in being stopped by Mayweather and Pacquiao. Many fighters have suffered KDs, etc. And although Hatton never had a "glass jaw" or anything of the sort, his chin was never what I'd call a strong chin. Would you? I think it was suspect. Sometimes it was good (Tszyu), sometimes it looked far less solid (Collazo, Magee). No?
     
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  2. larrysmith

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    its just when the same fighter tried to fight you but you trainer said"hes to good" after he had a brutal victory..but after he loses badlley and gets a draw the fights easily made..and this is after fighting 2 losers in a row..
     
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  3. PBFred

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    Fighters have every opportunity to redeem themselves after losses. Boxed Ears made a good point that every situation must be evaluated individually.

    For example, if Mayweather were to take a fight with Paul WIlliams in May, he would be crucified and rightly so. If Williams were to get a couple of wins under his belt against solid opposition, the fight becomes worthy of our attention.

    Bad Chad beats Pascal in the rematch and then wins his next fight against Cloud, he is back to where he was before the loss to Pascal because he earned his way back.

    Let's be honest though; is this thread really about Mosley?
     
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  4. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    Depends, some fighters lose and are never the same as their confidence and sense of aura has gone out the window, RJJ hatton and naz for starters.

    Some losses are brutal (Meldrick taylor vs chavez) and some demoralising (MAB vs Naz) but if after that loss the fighter continues on a downward spiral then it is certainly fair to say that the fighter is damaged goods as an after efect of that loss they recieved initially.

    Also if they are winning but arent winning in the same fashion against their opponents that they were beating taking before that loss it is fair to say that it damaged them.
     
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  5. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    dlete
     
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  6. whoupicking?

    whoupicking? Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The guy is so transparent it's ridiculous.
     
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  7. PBFred

    PBFred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Most of sensitive Mary Popkins' recent threads are backhanded attempts to protect Pacquiao :lol::rofl
     
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  8. horst

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    I liked Hatton too. Not much as a character, simply because I didn't know much of him outside of the ring, not seen many interviews other than a couple in the lead-up to the Mayweather and Pacquiao fights, but I always respected his fighting style and his mentality. That guy wanted to fight the best. And I emphasize fight. He had a lot of fight in him. His performance and win over Tszyu = fantastic.
     
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  9. horst

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    Mosley didn't lose his previous fight!! :patsch

    I've said about a hundred times this week that I think Pacquiao vs Mosley is a **** fight. Dunno how much clearer I can be on that.

    This is my point though - is this right?

    What about the 'couple of wins against solid opposition' makes him a better fighter than he is in the aftermath of the loss?

    Does a fighter's skills/quality really fluctuate between fights like this?

    I have my doubts.
     
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  10. horst

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    RJJ was exactly the same after his loss to Griffin.

    And there was nothing particularly demoralizing about MAB vs Naz, it was just that Naseem was mentally weak and let a clear loss affect him. That was all about Naz's mentality, not what actually happened in the ring.
     
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  11. whoupicking?

    whoupicking? Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There is a thing called confidence. Boxing is 90 percent mental game.
    A fighter will be more confident and effective having been on a run of good wins then say a fighter who have just come off a brutal beating.

    For example look at Jermaine Taylor.
     
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  12. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    :rasta

    :yep:rofl

    I only had to read the thread starters name and know what the agenda was all about.

    The next thread will say something like.

    How much significance do you put into fighters starving themselves to mke weight.
     
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  13. horst

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    I don't agree that boxing is 90% mental. I think that's an insane comment. Boxing is a physical sport. Being confident helps, but you can be ultra-confident and get the **** beaten out of you. Happens all the time. Boxing skills are far more important than confidence, as is the physical side of a physical sport. JMO.
     
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  14. horst

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    The opinions of notorious gutter troll *****s will never, ever interest me in the slightest. :good
     
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  15. PH|LLA

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    look what happened to Wlad after his losses to Sanders and Brewster.
     
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