How much would Langford, Jeannette, McVey, and GunBoat Smith add to Johnson's legacy

For those who voted not much of a legacy boost at all, I ask who's Johnson best pure win. I don't expect Mcvey to put it in writing but someone else might.

 

Sam Mcvey was 20 years old in his third fight with Johnson ( just a teenager in the other two ). How could that possibly be Johnson's best win???

Seriously, don't you think prime versions of Langford, Jeanette, and Sam McVey himself would have added anything to Jack Johnson's legacy from 1909-1914

The correct answer is yes, it would have.

Burns was 5'7" tall and 168 pounds, yet he might have been Johnson best win. I can;t name one single ATG great at heavyweight where Burns would be their best win. Now unless you think Burns is better than prime versions of Langford, Jeannette, and Sam Mcvey, you're lying once again.

No legacy boost you say? LOLOL!

PS: There is no need to register a new poster ( kolchak65 ) and vote here. I'm not saying you did that, but someone did and the poster has just one post. Mods, if they care, should prevent multiple posters.

 

We must examine when these fights happened.

Langford was 156 pounds and hardly experienced at heavyweight. Clay best guess is he was 20 years old!

Jeannette a raw novice, sometimes with a losing record when he fought Jack Johnson. No amateurs career here, very green

McVey was a teenager in two of the matches, and just 20 for the 3rd.

Sorry, Adam, these are impressive wins only on paper when you don't look at their experience level and weights. Once you understand how young, or green they were, credit for Johnson winning them should be adjusted. The fact that he only had one KO in many of these matches when he had a big edge on experience and age should also factor in. I'd pick almost all lineal heavyweight champions from Marciano to present, to dust these kids and newbies much more impressively.

Johnson won most of these matches easily, yet he was KO'd by Choynski, Stopped by Klondike, lost to Griffin, and lost to Hart. Why? Let's reason this out. None of these four were as good as prime Langford, Jeannette, and Mcvey, correct?! No, they were not, however they weren't a teenagers or 20, and all had some experience. Use your reason, you're a sharp guy. This is not a hard conclusion to draw.

I tend to doubt Johnson would have gone 4-0 vs Langford, Smith, Jeannette and McVey from 1909-1914 based on how he struggled at times in title matches vs lesser men, but if he did it would be a huge legacy boost as he would have proven he was the best in the world from 1909-1914. By not fighting what amounts to his top 3-4 best possible contenders, we can only speculate.

 

And by voting that, you lie. Wins over three hall of fame boxers in their prime in title fights are hardly " not a much of a legacy boost " for anyone! It's a legacy boost for sure. Yet that is how you see it. Amazing...

There was a mod here by who went by the name of Reggie Hammond, among other names. Long story short, I exposed him for lying and creating a pay pal account for BS. He also ripped off posters, promising ESB merchandise for payments into his account and never delivered.

The guy was a criminal type, so before he was booted, he banned a few poster names, mine included as his last act.

So I had to re-register, that was something like 10 years ago. Ask some of the senior mods here. They will tell you this is what happened.

And we all knew you were Boucher You stopped posting under that name after being exposed years ago

 

He can reply back if he wishes to. In this case, I have the facts, and he disagrees with your vote

 

He did say it would add to his legacy. He can reply back, and I hope he isn't baited to your garbage. I did not call him a liar. I respect the man.

I know you are a liar. There's a difference and your vote here tells me everything I need to know. Of course it would add a good deal to Johnson's legacy. DUH

Come to Florida. I'm not spending S1,000+ on a flight and hotel to have you silk away...

 

Save your racist BS for your private meetings. You, sir, have admitted to giving money to an organization who abuses human rights, and go out of your way to dimish most accomplished white heavyweight. What;s the deal?

I dislike Johnson for the following reasons.

1 ) He's a wife beater, and pimp of women. He also beat on a sickly 120-pound man, claiming self-defense. Some man he was...

2 ) As champion he skirted the best black challengers out there, drawing the color line against this own person. A champion is a defined by who he beat. In Johnson case, he has some draws and easy marks for wins.

3 ) He's boring in the ring, and overrated in general, and is disrespectful to his opponents when the fight is going his way.

4 ) He's a selfish ***** who wanted to be the only black champion ever.

5 ) He fouls too often. Hitting and holding, going low in more than one fights, hitting on the break etc.

6 ) He's a liar. Saying the Willard fight was fixed among other excuses.

DO I really need to add more? My #1 and #2 all time heavies are Ali and Holmes, by the way, both of whom said racy things, so check your **** at the door.

Might I suggest you order a Mellow Yellow at the bar, it best suits your character!