How popular was RJJ in the 90's?

Looks like I won

 

I've been too busy with other things to post up anything. Tomorrow ill post up what I got - and I hope for your sakes those vids aren't all you have.

 

Well said. I remember the Jeff Lacy Hype machine that was going on here. And Lacy basically gave him his name!:deal

 

lol@ Michaelczewski
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You just might be the dumbest punching bag on the face of the nubbly earth. You have two consecutive posts that go like this: One discredits RJJ's wins due to "old and weight drained" Then you are giving Pac a reach around licking his nut sac you saying "but then they are discredited for being weight drained etc"......Dumbest two posts I have ever seen.

Regarding RJJ popularity in the 90s...He was popular. Nuff Said. Was he "well known for ducking"..NO. Why? The media created him to be invincible. And...HE WAS. Who cares if he didn't take the biggest challenges....No one does anymore when they get to the top. Just deal with that and grow the **** up. Boxing isn't the same but it's still a great sport. Adapt to the politics or just shut the **** up. :hi:

 

It is best to judge a boxer by what he actually does rather than what he says. Im sure all active fighters when asked the same questions would say I want to fight the best guys out there - when they really dont want to.

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When Eubank was at mw he shared the division with the following fighters:
Steve Collins Michael Nunn Julian Jackson Sumbu Kalambay Mike McCallum Nigel Benn Reggie Johnson

He fought Benn and missed the others - when McCallum approached him about a unification bout he turned him down

When Eubank was at smw he shared the division with the following fighters:
Victor Cordoba Michael Nunn Tim Littles Frankie Liles James Toney Roy Jones Jr. Steve Collins Nigel Benn

He fought Collins and Benn and missed all the others. When he put together his world tour he did not fight one opponent who was ranked within the ring rankings top ten. Sky were also unhappy with his quality of oppostion hence:

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So he says he wantsed to fight the best but his actions say otherwise.

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As a guess I would say that clip was taken around the time of the Eubank-Thornton fight - because he dismissed the notion of fighting Benn, and said that Nunn and Toney were on the scene. In other words it was before the Jonothan Ross show. Toney at this point would of been already calling him out and getting no response from Eubank which would explain why he called Eubank out to his face with Eubank keeping quiet. After that show Kallen would contact Eubanks team about a fight and Eubank never got back to her:
Before the Toney-Thornton fight(so 3 weeks have gone past siince the ross show)

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So Eubank is saying one thing, but doing another.

Toney would keep calling him out (toney-thornton fight)

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When sky offered Eubank the world tour they wanted him to end up fighting toney - but Eubank wasnt sure about that:

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And as late as 1996 Toney was still calling him out:

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'How would you plan to fight someone as unorthodox as Eubank?'
'Well, I'd plan to kill him,' Toney sneered without missing a beat.



Now Toney was G !

 

Who ducked Eubank?

Jones ?:
Jones had beaten Toney, who was a better fighter than Eubank. He turned down the Eubank fight because Eubank didnt have a belt and was coming off back to back losses to Collins

Toney?
As I said before Eubank never wanted anything to do with him

Collins?
He beat Eubank twice

McCallum?
Eubank wanted nothing to do with him

Nunn?:
Nunn was prepared to fight the winner of Benn-Eubank II and he had faced opposition tougher than Eubank like Liles, Cordoba x 2, Toney and Kalumbay

Liles?:
He fought Nunn and Littles and chased Jones for around 2+ years. He was also trained by Roach who had already figured out Eubanks style which is why collin had beat him twice.

In otherwords Bunce doesnt know what he is talking about

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Yeah, Toney is a funny guy

 

Im sure if there were press confrences for these 2 they would end in brawls ..

 

True. The Lacy fight was Calzaghe's 'coming out party'

 

Eubank's personality alone wound up a lot of people - so yeah i could see a press confrerece brawl happening.

 

9/10

 

Conveniently missed out Michael Watson who Eubank fought at MW and SMW - Watson was a cut above Collins, Johnson, Cordoba, Littles etc, even Benn.

I don't care to listen to Donald McRraes(sp?), some book-writing journo guy from South Africa.

I go by facts. The facts are that McCallum brought no American TV to the table, so the Eubank fight fell through... and Bob Arum wouldn't accept Eubank as an opponent for Toney or Nunn because he said Eubank had too much of an awkward style for his best fighters to look good against on TVKO PPV. Those are the facts. It is no fault of Eubank's that the fights never happened. He just wasn't allowed a way into the American market, because of the Arum/King monopoly at the time (that has since been broken with the likes of Showtime/Golden Boy opening the doors for Hatton, Calzaghe, Froch, Khan).

Eubank was a far more dangerous opponent than Pazienza, Thornton, Sosa, Brannon, Lucas, old fat McCallum or shorty Griffin or over the hill Hill.

 

It was on ITV's year-end show of '92, where Eubank admits he wants Nunn and Toney in '93. Arum gave an ITV interview pre-fight to the Eubank-Lindell Holmes fight saying he didn't want Nunn or Toney to fight Eubank!!