How reliable are newspaper decisions and could promoters fix them?

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  1. CharlesBurley

    CharlesBurley Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    So many early fights had newspaper decisions. But I question the reliability of these, when several issues of bias could come into play:

    1. As a social influencer a promoter could pay a reporter to hype up his fighter, ie say a promoter either paid the journalist or simply pay his bar tab. The obvious advantage is it sells more tickets to see that fighter and earns a boxer big money fights.

    2. The journalists lack of boxing knowledge. The journalist is covering the fight as part of his job but that doesn't means he knows anything about boxing, especially the finer elements. As it is we sometimes get shocking cards from commentators.

    3. The racism of the era. These newspaper decisions predate the Louis era where racist cartoons of Louis were made to mock Louis in many newspapers. And they predate the Murderer's Row, who were discriminated against by the money fighters of the day. I tend to think it's unlikely black fighters get a fairshake of the dice with a newspaper decision but this would depend on the predisposition of the individual journalist or editor.

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  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yes, a newspaperman could be paid off - as can judges. :nusenuse: I really don't see how underhanded lobbying by promoters is any more of a risk in one system than another. Humans are humans, flawed all.
     
  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'd wager, also, that back then as now, there are quite a few journos (and even just 'super-fans') whose boxing knowledge vastly exceeds that of many professional judges. There is very rudimentary training, but really they're not held up to as high a standard as you think. A good number of judges DKSAB. Like, not a bit.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    note: I'm not defending the NWS format; in fact I think it was quite silly. Just bore mentioning the points above. :thumbsup:
     
  5. CharlesBurley

    CharlesBurley Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Good points and input. I suppose the difference being, we have footage of modern fights to know the corruption, where as back then we didn't.

    Although I remember DLH-Mosley 2, where most journalists actually scored it to Mosley. So in their case I wouldn't rate their ability to KSAB
     
  6. Mendoza

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    It depends on the news paper. Here's the answer, usually a news paper's description matches the film to a close enough level, so they can be reliable. Just throw out home town coverages, and certain writers being close to certain fighters.

    I think a majority of news paper decisions ( 60% of the reads or scorecards ) is reliable, and good enough to sniff out bad official decisions.
     
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  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    You can probably get a pretty good idea what happened by comparing enough of them.
     
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  8. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Its asinine to think promoters back then had enough money to go paying off every newspaper reporter in every town a fighter fought as often as those guys fought. Small towns of less than twenty thousand people often had 3 newspapers. How long do you think it would take the public to catch on that a reporter was on the take if he continually turned in minority reports as to how fights went? How long would he keep his job if this happened regularly? At one point during the ND era Pittsburgh had 8 newspapers. Cincinatti had at least four. Likewise Cleveland and likewise Buffalo. Syracuse had at least three. Philly had at at least 8. New York had dozens when count the local papers that often covered boxing. New Orleans had at least three. Again, do the math on how ridiculous it would be to assume all of these papers were on the take and that we simply cant trust a word in black and white. If you look at all of the sources you can typically come to a consensus of how a fight played out with very little controversy or deviation. Are there outliers, of course, but why would anyone throw the baby out with the bathwater because a small percentage of decisions were wrong. If thats tye case then modern boxing decisions might as well be ignored because they are far more often suspect than a consensus of newspaper decisions.
     
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  9. surfinghb1

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    ^^^^^^^ Schools in session
     
  10. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree 100 percent with Compton. When money or a favor might have exchanged hands between a promoter and a sports writer, it was usually promotional newspaper pieces the writer had written prior to a fight. According to fight manager George Chemeres, who I knew pretty well in his later years, when a show went over well in Seattle a certain local reporter would come around afterward looking to be reimbursed for pre-fight articles he had written. Nothing would surprise me about what might be happening now between promoters, managers, and modern-day media sources. Some of you probably have stories which you may or may not be at liberty to tell. Given the price of tickets these days, an extra freebie or two is a pretty good pay-off in itself.
     
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