How should we deal with boxers returning after failed drugs tests

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by davidmcallister, Jun 13, 2013.


  1. davidmcallister

    davidmcallister Well-Known Member Full Member

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    With Larry Olubamiwo getting his license back after being caught with performance enhancing drugs in his system it got me thinking what would be the fairest way to deal with these boxers and keep other boxers from potentially being hurt from fighters who have used PEDS.

    I know there will be loads of replies saying to never let them box again and they should be banned for life but in reality this will not happen especially on a first offense.

    The reasons are that if you are sent to jail for committing a crime you are allowed to come out and work to support your family and a professional boxer is no different. No matter how wrong we think it is this will never change.

    There is also the human factor, how easy is it for some people to be led astray by their coaches or people close to them that make them believe they need to do this to be the best, Imo everybody can make mistakes it is how they change when being caught that shows their character.

    These are things I'd like to be in place for boxers returning from bans:

    1. The returning boxer should be placed on a list by the BBBoC that means they are tested a guaranteed certain amount of times per year done randomly as well as being on call for extra testing if being asked for.

    These tests should be paid for by the returning boxer on all occasions, if they don't agree then they don't get licensed.

    2. They should be made to sign a contract that means if they are caught using PEDS again that they agree they can never be licensed by the BBBoC again. If they don't sign they don't get licensed.

    This would give everybody one chance to make a mistake but then they wouldn't be able to use the "I didn't know" or "He said it was ok" because they would have been punished once before.

    If these two rules were brought in it would make the sport look like it strongly opposes to drug cheats but is willing to accept that people make mistakes, it would also show that the boxers understand what they have done wrong and that they are willing to put their careers on the line to prove it.


    I would also like to see a ban for any coach that is named by a boxer who is caught using PEDS, if the boxer gets a 2 year ban then the coach should also be banned for that time. After the ban I would like the coach to have to sign a similar contract that means if any of his boxers are caught using PEDS then he will lose his right to hold a BBBoC license.

    What are your thoughts on these and also do you have any other realistic ideas that you'd like to see implemented.
     
  2. supremo

    supremo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The thing about using steroids is that you can never ever be clean after having used them. The advantage you have gained in extra strength etc stays with you after you finish using them.
     
  3. FIN

    FIN Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Every top level fighter is on some sort of peds
     
  4. He was a muscle bound heavyweight who could of killed someone
    I also don't agree with the grass and pass example they have set
     
  5. sharpy

    sharpy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Shouldn't be able to box again unless it was a genuine mistake eg taking a protein powder which was unclearly marked etc. if big larry intentionally sticks needles in his arse then it's his own stupid fault. You may say he has the right to box and earn money for his family but let's say he k.od someone which then led to their career going downhill that would mean he has taken away their earning capability unfairly. Just lucky he can't box for **** and this never would happen even if he was 25 stone of steroid fuelled muscle
     
  6. davidmcallister

    davidmcallister Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maybe that is something that should be taken into consideration when the person re-applies for their license.

    When it comes to the genuine mistake I work with amateurs and pro boxers and most of the kids that are involved in boxing aren't as educated as in some sports and could be taken advantage of by crooked coaches telling them it's just a certain protein or whatever, maybe you think it's black and white but there is a lot of grey areas. Mistakes do happen
     
  7. davidmcallister

    davidmcallister Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is not true, maybe for a few weeks afterwards but have you never seen someone at the gym that looks like the incredible hulk and then a couple of months later they have lost 2-3 stones and can hardly lift a normal weight. If you stop using them the effects wear off like any other drug, it just takes time
     
  8. supremo

    supremo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That is people who have not completed appropriate Post cycle therapy. Yes, you will inevitably lose some effects, but you will retain a substantial amount. Then when you go back on them again you are already further ahead than you would have been had you not taken them and your adding even more and this repeats with every cycle they do. If you do it properly then you will retain most of the strength you gained long after you stopped taking them as long as you train with the same weights intensity. You will never be completely clean.
     
  9. stittyb

    stittyb Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good points David, but the problem with rules written in the stone like that is that it allows for a first offense. Whereas ideally we would like to deter first offenders already. Basically rules like that say if you get caught you don't box for 1 or 2 years, then sign some sort of register and get straight back at it. So in essence the benefits of the risk may outweigh the punishment.
     
  10. davidmcallister

    davidmcallister Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree that some may try to exploit the first offense rule but right now they could be caught multiple times and still come back at some point after their bans. This way would allow for 1 mistake and they would be paying for it financially for the rest of their career.
     
  11. dannyboy147

    dannyboy147 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good post David, this is a topic that is very subjective. I for one never believe it when fighters come out with clueless reactions to being caught and pointing the finger at everyone else around them. everyone does make mistakes, big heavyweights have the power to kill so when they take illegal substances the extra power they have can be fatal for their opponent.

    Each individual sport should have some kind of governing body that every athlete reports too when they take anything that isn't food or water. lemsip for a cold,steroid creams for dry skin,painkillers for a torn muscle etc. This way their full history is documented, if they have taken something which they are not supposed too they are told immediately and the issue can be resolved there and then.

    Medicine is so advanced and it will only keep getting better and better, something needs to be done to stop drugs cheats and heavy punishments need to be given out. Lamont Peterson keeping his title was a joke.
     
  12. Trail

    Trail Guest

    Please send us all your evidence, Doctor.
     
  13. Flog them with bamboo until the steroids have bled out of them
     
  14. Trail

    Trail Guest

    Beheading or public flogging.
     
  15. Trail

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    Waterboard them until they admit what they've done?