Joe Louis Jab - 90 Hook - 93 Cross - 94 Uppercuts - 93 Body punching - 90 Combination punching - 93 Raw power - 87 Defence - 78 Counter punching - 84 Infighting - 79 Agility - 80 Foot speed - 73 Hand speed - 87 Durability - 80 Stamina - 90 Heart - 95 Smarts - 83 Strength - 85 -- Ike Williams Jab - 89 Hook - 94 Cross - 91 Uppercuts - 94 Body punching - 91 Combination punching - 93 Raw power - 86 Defence - 80 Counter punching - 82 Infighting - 82 Agility - 85 Foot speed - 77 Hand speed - 89 Durability - 80 Stamina - 90 Heart - 95 Smarts - 82 Strength - 84 -- Jimmy Carter Jab - 85 Hook - 91 Cross - 89 Uppercuts - 88 Body punching - 90 Combination punching - 90 Raw power - 80 Defence - 81 Counter punching - 82 Infighting - 85 Agility - 82 Foot speed - 75 Hand speed - 87 Durability - 84 Stamina - 90 Heart - 92 Smarts - 80 Strength - 89 Sound about right? NOTE: Don't be offended by any seemingly numerically lacking attributes. A fighter's defence, for instance, is being compared to fighters like Wilfred Benitez, just as their power is being compared to Eugene Hart's and durability is headed by Marvin Hagler who'd come in at about 97. I don't think anyone would score 100 as there would be no room for improvement in the future.
Jimmy Carter was an average US President who did not exactly gain much popularity with the press nor public. He was a wonderful human being, but lacked guts, and the ability to make clad iron decisions. I don't think his skills or attributes ad up well to Louis or Williams. Though, he did start some good public programs for the homeless.
Looks right on the money, although i would like to know how you would rate the footspeed of Liston, Dempsey, Marciano and Lewis? I think 77 might be a tad high for Louis; i think it's his biggest weakness, if any. There is of course the fact that he might be the most economically aimed fighter in history (certainly at heavyweight) and adapted his pace to that, and certainly he did show a good amount of footspeed when he needed to, for instance against Galento. But regardless of his motivation, i would give him 70 in this department.
Might be right, but yeah the reasons you mentioned are the reasons I rated him a bit higher. Footspeed Sonny Liston 75 Jack Dempsey 83 Rocky Marciano 70 Lennox Lewis 75
People always go on about Cyclone Hart; what footage of him is there? Did he knock out anyone notable? Or is it a wind-up? I thought JULIAN JACKSON was the shorthand for P4P power? :good
There's footage out there. Hart was a renowned as a terrific puncher all around Philadelphia and you can see the velocity on his punches in the Hagler and Briscoe fights. He just didn't have the economy or endurance to match, a bit of an Earnie Shavers type.
No, but I figured that you did given that this thread has gotten about as much attention as an apartment building in the ghetto. On another subject, the next time I'm in your part of the world, can I stop at your establishment, so that you can serve me some fish and chips?
I'm only poking fun for shits and giggles. I had no intention of truly ruffling your feathers, but if I did then I apologize. Now about those fish and chips..........
