so why be fair with every other fighter and not Greb? to be fair though i read he thought everyone was inferior to Fitz: "In general, Mr Edgren was fair and objective in his summations of fighters. He was also extremely knowledgeable and possessed a rare, instinctive feel for boxers and boxing technique. He maintained to the end that no middleweight could compare to the astonishing Bob Fitzsimmons. However, lest you should think that Edgren was obsessed with the fighters of his day, consider what he said as an older man when comparing Mickey Walker to past legends of that weight class. Edgrens observations, published shortly after Micks storming victory over Ace Hudkins in 1929, might well surprise you as much as they did me. Barring Fitzsimmons, Walker looks just about as good as any of the middleweights. There is a glamour and a glory about past champions that makes them seem greater when they are gone from the ring than they seemed when we looked at them in action. Tommy Ryan was a great middleweight, but if you analyse his fights, they were no better than Walkers. The same could be said of any of the rest barring only Fitz. Harry Greb never knew much about boxing. He was a tireless windmill in action, swinging from bell to bell and able to sop up any amount of punching." Even the great Stanley Ketchel doesnt figure so much better than Mickey if you look at facts and cut out the past glory. It took Ketchel 32 rounds to beat Joe Thomas, a clever middleweight, for the championship. Of course, in four fights he ruined Thomas completely, but I doubt that this tough egg Ace Hudkins would go through as many rounds with Mickey without being sent to the pugilistic dump. Jack Kearns always says that Mickey Walker is another Joe Walcott. He is like Walcott in build, although with bigger legs in proportion. Walcott was 5 1 tall when he was welter champion, and his neck and arms measured just 16 inches. He had the fighting equipment of a big heavyweight as far as strength was concerned. In the Hudkins fight, Walker showed amazingly good condition. I never saw him in better shape, even as welterweight champion. He was baked to a dark brown by the hot sun of the Ojai Valley and looked like a thick-set Jack Dempsey. When they fight for Kearns, they have to be aggressive.
Its been posted ad nausem, Greb blew the whistle on certain ny boxing writers who made it clear $$$$ would sure help matters.
Just as stated above. He was critical of Greb's style and minimized his abilities in the majority of articles I have written by him about Greb. To say Greb never knew much about boxing is ridiculous. How do you explain his success over thirteen years and 300 fights, and his ability to accurately gauge fighters strengths and weaknesses from both outside the ring and inside regardless of whether he was fighting them or betting on/against them. Furthermore, the accounts of Greb's ability to change his style multiple times in a round, much less a fight are legion. He would go from wild, tear in slugger, to classical stick and mover at the drop of a hat. The guy boxed with broken hands, broken arms, cracked ribs, concussions, boils, etc etc. He fought against men smaller and much larger. Soutpaws and orthodox. Boxers and punchers. Fighters who fought out of a crouch and extremely tall fighters who laid back and jabbed. Furthermore, in fighting this vast array of styles, body types, strengths, etc. Greb was facing men who are almost universally recognized today (and in Greb's time) as some of the best in the history of the sport at what they did, not mere ham and eggers. In other words, Greb saw it all and to suggest he was simply a one dimensional, unskilled and unschooled fighter is a bit too much to believe (can we really assume that a guy didnt learn anything in 300 fights and 13 yrs in the ring and ONLY relied on his physical ability, even when that ability was greatly diminished by age, injuries, and blindness... PLEASE!), especially in light of the vast wealth of opinion to the contrary, both in New York (where Edgren wrote from) and outside. So, in light of that, what else is there but to assume Edgren, for whatever reason, did not like Greb's style and was unduly hard on him.
And Edgren was one of those??????......How bout some proof, boys. Here's your chance to blow the whistle.
Ive got a better idea, why dont you post a bunch of articles by Edgren where he is being fair and balanced in regards to Greb...
u got one article wherein Grebs receiving some faint praize and his victim, Walker, getting touted for his greatness.
Well no one is denegrading Greb here. I think he is near the top and have commented as such for a long time. I find it hard to believe however that everyone who did not share a 'pristine' view of Harry Greb was on the take...and Edgren's credentials spoke for themselves.
I'm not the one into insinuation and innuendo about Edgren being on the take...So instead of continuing with that (as per your norm) Why not show some proof. You and slakka have insinuated it time and again, and this time, you both have mentioned Edgren...A man who was highly esteemed in his time...so why don't you back it up with evidence!