How to beat Andre Ward

Calzaghe would destroy him but it would be an ugly fight, lots of clinching and hugging.

Bute has the power to 1 shot K.O and end ward's boxing career, I could easily see that straight left splitting the guard and sending ward crashing to the canvas.

 

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Yes.It really would be the mismatch of the millenium.

 

Bernard's off limits, no way that their fighting :-(

Bute wouldn't be a good choice either IMO, below is from your thread a long time ago...

Chad Dawson?

Sit him down before signing for the fight and tell him if he really wants to win he can, but he must have the dedication and the fire to go out there and tell everyone he's one of the best fighters in Boxing. Be straight, if he's going to be half arsed and not go for it then he may as well fu*! off now and become an ESPN fighter. Assuming he gets the message then we're good to go.

Press Conference(s) : Against Abraham Ward was sick of being told he had no power etc, he came out aggressive and got caught flush a fair few times coming forward. I'd be up on the podium, telling the word that Andre Ward can't punch, can't break an egg and if he didn't have such a big noggin then he'd of lost multiple times. Rile him up, make him want to prove a point. He's a calculating fighter, emotion can over come thought and that's Dawsons first potential advantage. (Also, I'd make a point of dismissing Virgil Hunter, he likes to talk to Ward's opponents, not this time.)

CAMP : Dawson would hate me. Runs with Combat boots, high altitude up mountains etc. He needs a solid stamina base here. We won't be fighting at a snails pace. All sorts of excercises though none that leave him too heavily muscled up top, I want his arms free and fluid, able to string together 4-5 punches quickly, and to allow lateral movement. (Anyone who thought Lacey would beat Calzaghe is a muppet, that much muscle restricts movement.)

The Jab : Key to everything here. Andre Ward dictates the rythm of his fights, same as Hopkins and same as Mayweather. Dawsons first oppertunity to stamp his authority on the fight is to jab. Not once either, that's not a problem for a defensively sound thinking fighter. Double it and tripple it, stepping to his right as he does so. Ward will get low and attempt to move closer. Low with a high guard. Crack a hard right hook to the body and take three quick steps in a circling motion, left hand high and ready to cross over to deflect a lead left hook from Ward. If Dawson is forced to block a lead left hook then abandon the step plan for that moment and pivot to the right on his back foot to avoid any follow up right hand coming his way, this manouver also opens up a straight left hand for Dawson to use.

I'd have him doing 4 minute rounds, circling and jabbing the bag. Every so often I'd want variation, hook off the jab. 1 jab 2 jab uppercut, etc. You can't do one thing over and over with a fighter who adapts, you'll end up missing and getting beaten up.

Very Rarely, I'd want Dawson to throw a straight left, just to mix it up. Ward would block that with a high guard, so Dawson should step to his LEFT (Opposite to what's conventional for the southpaw) dip and throw a right hook to the body, when done, push Ward away, restore distance. Referee may warn for this, so rarely.

Ward had difficulty with Froch when Carl through two to three straight punches upstairs and then changed rythm and threw an uppercut. Same thing here. Dawson hands held high and elbows tucked in, throw a right, a left, double jab and then use that right hand to uppercut between the guard of Dawson.

Can't ignore body work, Ward can be slowed down and Froch did it with preassure. Carl also did it in straight lines and with his chin hanging out. We wouldn't be doing that. Jab to the body, keep range and everytime Ward does get close throw two body shots and push him off the sholder, ALWAYS punching right away to distract the referee from any potential point deductions etc. The previously mentioned uppercuts during a combination should sometimes be targeted at Wards chest. (People neglect chest punching, but it hurts, and stops you drawing breath.)

Andre Ward likes to dictate, you have to break that dominance and that's where the fight starts. If he does settle into a rythm and shut Dawson out offensively, then I'd have no problem with Dawson landing a low blow. Breakhis domination, his focus and his belief he can dominate, then we'll see what he's got.

Of course Dawson would probably have a mental meltdown and forget all of that ^^^ at which point I'd crack him over the head with the stool :yep

Again, the above is just my opinion, let me know if I missed anything.

 

I swear to God mate,as soon as I posted I thought you would think of Dawson.atsch
Glad I put you up to it.:yep An excellent read.:good
If you remember I said about Bute that he would have to go against southpaw conventional moves and mix it up every 3 or 4 rounds to keep Ward guessing.
You make some excellent points and I think Chad has the ability,but I think it needs to be someone who can think AND work for 36 solid minutes.
I agree about too late for Bernard,but to me a younger version is exactly what's required(mentally at least) to make a dent in Ward.But the Taylor fights showed us that Bernard can be lazy too.
Why do I always come back to Ray??:huh Even at 168!atsch

 

Chad Dawson.

 

168 Ray Leonard was mediocre a best :tong

All time then you're talking Jones, Hopkins, Calzaghe, Toney, and at 175lbs I'd give Antonio Tarver a shot too :yep

 

Yeah.Much as I'm a convert to Ward's abilties,all time would be a different story.That was a beast of a division in the early days.
Ray was the first ever champion though.

 

Be a good sport and give my guy a shot at Ward. He's about as fast and has huge advantage in power. A fight between those two would be very technical and I see Ward trying to hold and clinch to avoid Bute' power shots on the inside. Workrate and precision would be key, in my eye, and the only one able to hurt the other is..........Bute! I wish Showtime have this one in the can for the next Bute fight, after he passes trough Froch in May.

 

Ain't nobody passing through Froch :twisted: Your boy will have to suck it up, puff his chest out and walk through fire :nono

I don't think he has the physical strength to create distance that he'd need, or the mental aptitude to dictate the fight buddy. I just see a really ugly fight, where Ward does damage on the inside. A boring fight with very few highlights and a comftorble decision to Ward.

I'm not an AW fan btw, I do appreciate him though.

 

Despite him being one of the best boxers out there, I think you'd have to beat Ward from the outside, as the inside fighting he has shown during his S6 run is unmatched by anyone in the game. Head movement, power, and workrate/stamina would be the three individual aspects his opponent would need to be best at, in my opinion. I don't think speed is necessary as much as the stamina to go along with the power is.

 

On the official cards Froch only lost by 2 so theoretically all Froch or a guy like him would have to do is just hustle a little more maybe get after it sooner

I think an awkward guy like Bute can beat him, Ward has already beaten text book guys and inside guys

Bute is something different

i thought Dirrel could have beat Ward b4 he took a large lay off

 

Maybe you don't take for a fact that Bute as one of the most lethal uppercut and he trows it from a short distance. As for strenght, Bute is probably the biggest active SMW. He's much bigger then Froch who's bigger then Ward, but he has what Ward doesn't, one punch KO power. It would be ugly but I see Ward running away from Bute and staying away for the most part, just to avoid Bute'`s left hand.

 

Stick him in the 70s, only joking.


Talented guy...and interesting question.:think

 

1: Get him out of jOakland
2: Have speed, good footwork and a long reach
3: fight a defensive fight with crisp counters.