How to Beat Floyd Mayweather (Floyd's style analyzed)

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  1. mtotheg93

    mtotheg93 New Member Full Member

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    We've all heard it before.
    Use the jab, apply more pressure, get on the inside, more speed, pressure, jab
    him to the shoulder, make it a dirty fight, rough him up, hit him to the body
    pressure pressure pressure...



    Ever since Castillo's supposed victory against Floyd the blueprint had basically
    revolved around pressuring him around the ring. "Boxing" doesnt work because
    hes simply too good (or so they say). Either you have to have so much of a
    weight advantage that you can break through Floyd's arms, or so much of a
    speed advantage that you can beat him to the punch. Of course, (unless he
    fights middleweights) these are implausible scenarios.



    Is it impossible? Does he actually have an invincible style?


    In order to figure out a "blueprint" , i believe, we must first examine HOW Floyd operates the way hes does and WHY it is so effective.




    WHAT MAKES HIM GOOD


    1. Floyd keeps you where he wants you, in relation to the angle of his body. He aligns his front foot with his opponent's, and blades his body , so that all of the opponent's weapons are kept on the 'outside' (the left side) of his left shoulder.


    From this position, Floyd is virtually invincible. Points 2 and 3 are the reasons
    why...


    2. He is the best single shot ('pot shot') thrower in the game. If you stand in range, he'll land his jab. If you let him land his jabs, he'll feint you and land a lead right. If you tighten up, he'll jab you to the body. Soon enough, he'll feint you to the body and throw a lead left hook. Floyd's ability to consistently land hard, single shots is unmatched in boxing.


    3. If you try to attack him over his left shoulder, he'll counter you to death. These are the moves that Floyd is famous for: pull counters, shoulder roll into straight right hand, shoulder roll into right uppercut... you've all seen it before. The reason he is able to effectively counter from this position is that all of the opponent's attacks come from the 'outside' angle. It is the angle that makes the shoulder roll and additional slipping so much easier. Although Floyd is insanely fast, he does not rely his speed alone.


    4. When the opponent does get on the 'inside' (their bodies squaring off to each other's), Floyd has a handful of defensive maneuvers. He can:
    a) quickly turn his body and start rolling
    b) followed by a duck by bending at the waist
    c) followed by a smother / clinch
    d) or use lateral movement to jump out the way after the duck (did it alot against Guerrero)
    e) or simply cover up using a high guard (this is the worst position Floyd could be in and we seldom see it).
    Even if the opponent gets a chance to attack, Floyd offers little.



    Notice what is missing in number 4.
    Counters.
    Floyd cannot counter when he is squaring off with his opponent.
    Although he is incredibly good at not getting hit, when the opposing fighter does invade the 'inside zone', he is unable to effectively dish out a counter.

    Intuitively, the gameplan many of Floyd's opponents have revolved around sustaining the Number 4 situation for the whole duration of the fight. "Even if im not landing clean hits, if i can keep up the aggression while keeping him on the defensive, i would eventually win those rounds." Right?



    WHY THEY LOSE

    Wrong. They have failed to take into account point number 2. All the while they are trying to "sustain aggression", they are getting clipped on the face the whole fu#king time. By the fourth round the damage begins to show. Cuts appear, eyes puff up. This motherfuker is landing jabs and right hands at will, and all your flurries are getting smothered or rolled. Frustration begins to set in. You launch impatient attacks over his left shoulder then BOOM he counters you. And it hurts. You find yourself backing up with hands high and Floyd's starting to club you with right hand swings. Before you know it the fight is over.


    If so, how in the world can these fighters possibly win?


    1. Defense. Elusive, sophisticated defense.

    Offense offense offense have been the focus to the blueprint. But you MUST focus on defense, before you can even contemplate throwing a punch.

    Let's look back at the fist Castillo fight, the fight that Floyd allegedly lost. People tend to focus on Castillo's pressuring abilities and work on the inside as the keys to victory, but honestly, i think Cotto landed more cleanly than Castillo in certain spots. Here is the difference:
    Mayweather does not have an easy time landing his jabs on Castillo's face.

    Notice Castillo's head movement, particularly at the early stages of the fight. He lets Floyd miss his jab, THEN cuts to the 'inside zone'. Sure, Castillo isnt landing any flush shots on the insdie, but guess what, he didnt take punishment. Not nearly as bad as these other fighters.

    And there lies the first and foremost key to the blueprint. Neutralizing Floyd's pot shots. Hence, defense must be the priority.
    Of course, dodging the attacks of this era's most gifted sharp shooter is easier said than done.

    2. Ability to get into the 'inside zone.'

    Alot of fighters possess this skill. All of Floyd's opponents did manage to 'get on the inside' at one point or the other. But when they started missing...

    3. Patience.

    ... they got frustrated and launched combinations prematurely from the outside, where Floyd loves to counter. Combinations must be saved for the opportunity where Floyd is square in front of you. Attempting to throw a right hand over his left shoulder is just inviting a counterpunch.

    (When Mosley landed those right hand bombs in round two, notice the position of their feet, and their bodies. Although his right hand was flying over Floyd's shoulder, Mosley's body had already crossed into the 'zone', allowing him to land shots that Floyd mistakenly thought he could roll. Floyd did not make the same mistake again for the rest of the fight.)

    5. Maul him when he covers up.

    Like i said before, this is the worst defensive position Floyd could be in (hence why he does not do it often). The fighter must create these situations by getting on the inside often and effectively, and being fast to enough to change angles in order to cut off Floyd's escape route. Mayweather's only viable response will be put his hands up and guard. When this happens, smash the **** of out him: this is your golden opportunity. Watch the Spadafora sparring match and see what kind of toll this takes on Floyd's game (albeit this is just a sparring match, but still).

    4. Jab to the body. (this one's a bonus)
    Why the fuk not? It's one of the safest punches (if thrown correctly) to shoot from the outside. Give Floyd a dose of his own medicine.



    To sum it all up,
    a) have an elusive enough defense to slip / effectively defend Floyd's single shot attacks
    b) make him miss - this is crucial
    c) time your offense ie. cut in after making him miss.
    d) be fast enough to cut of his escape routes.
    e) unleash when he covers up.
    d) DO NOT throw combinations from the outside. Rather, jab to the body.


    Floyd said this of himself, he finds out what his opponents do best, and he takes it away from them. The man who can do the same to Floyd will be the man who beats him.


    Who can accomplish this ...? Well, this is getting long, i might save that for another post.


    Well, there you ****ing have it. Now that ive written it down, it feels like ive just stated the obvious lol.
    Im by no means an expert, though i am an avid fan and do boxing in real life too (2nd corporate fight in a month, wish me luck ima need it).:bbb


    That was only my take, feel free to disagree / add things that i may have missed out.

    Cheers:deal:deal:deal:deal
     
  2. mtotheg93

    mtotheg93 New Member Full Member

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    wow i wrote that **** but that is fuking long. bump
     
  3. mtotheg93

    mtotheg93 New Member Full Member

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    wow i wrote that **** but that is fuking long.
     
  4. tchaoyeah

    tchaoyeah Member Full Member

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    well written analysis, its gonna be hard for fighters to get inside of floyd without taking punishment as he's so good at countering on the outside and moving out of the way when people charge him. but i'd say someone with enough technical ability to counter floyd's right hand and jab and aggressive enough to make him uncomfortable could possibly outwork floyd. I don't think i've ever seen anyone able to counter floyd's straight right as it is so fast, but if a fighter could try to take that away from mayweather and push him against the rope to do work, then he could be pretty successful
     
  5. BagsWithDust

    BagsWithDust Well-Known Member Full Member

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    very good analysis i think the only thing you might of missed is a good jab. Even roger said that if you dont have a good jab you wont be hitting floyd. and to this day the only person who was able to open up mayweathers defense with a good jab was oscar and cotto.
     
  6. mmorrison1132

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  7. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    whatever noob
     
  8. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You make some good points, particularly when you highlight the importance of defence. Everyone concentrates on how to break Mayweather's shoulder roll rather than how to neutralise his offence. De La Hoya was able to have some success with parrying Mayweather's punches and using head movement now and then when he was coming forward. Cotto's guard also troubled Mayweather a bit until he started sweeping his right hand around it, and then (later in the fight) getting those uppercuts in.

    I'm not sure that I'd agree about Mayweather being unable to counter on the inside (I'd have to go back and look at footage) but I do think he's less effective on the inside. He didn't look comfortable there against Castillo or Cotto, and even Hatton smothered him for a while before Mayweather's accurate shots broke him down. He can handle himself well on the inside, but he prefers to fight from a distance. I also agree about Mayweather being the most vulnerable when he uses the high guard. That's why he doesn't use it much, it opens up his body and doesn't come as naturally to him as his shoulder roll style.

    Your point about Mosley reminds me of something Naazim Richardson said...he pointed out that Mosley landed those big punches on Mayweather because of 'foot placement', it was something that they seem to have planned. A similar thing happened in the Judah fight...Judah used the jab to move into range and close the distance, and then he let his straight left fly, hitting Mayweather flush on the face and stunning him.
     
  9. Ripper11

    Ripper11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'll read later
     
  10. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Excellent well thought out analysis seldom seen around here. I also think you need to have longer reach as well. In order to make PBF over extend on his shots other than that I agree with pretty much everything you said.
     
  11. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Zab Judah with a lot more stamina and a little better chin and patience.
     
  12. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    I said it before and will say it again,you have to attack him in a similar manner that Hagler did to Hearns and stay on him.You would also have to be willing to take fire same as Hagler did in order to beat him ..
     
  13. xzero

    xzero Member Full Member

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    Easy, just get a fighter that is taller and longer than he is with good stamina and a decent jab

    The reach advantage can help negate the speed advantage since he's so damn fast
     
  14. youaintakiller

    youaintakiller Member Full Member

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    Brilliant post. Would read again.
     
  15. TheCrazyCal

    TheCrazyCal Baby Faced Hassassin Full Member

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    great post.

    if someone could do all the above AND manage to start a war it might put floyd in a place he`s never been before and make a mistake...

    if its possible, get under his skin..