How to rate Rocky Marciano? (Fair Anaylsis)

I tried posting a pic of them. From a book titled Ali boxing by the numbers. In the back it has punch stats for Dempsey, Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, Wlad, Frazier, Foreman,Louis, Liston Holmes. and a few others. Only one who showed a lower opponent total connect percentage was Wlad 23% to Rocky’s 24.5%
Edit I’ll add the others it’s Christmas
Opponents total connect %
Louis- 26.8%
Liston- 27.3
Holmes- 29.6
Frazier 29.7
Dempsey 29.7
Tyson 32.8
Ali 34.2
Lewis 36.5
Holyfield 41
Foreman 42

 

So it I am reading this correctly it says Wlad has the lowest opponent connect% ? Very interesting data! What was Bowes defensive number ( Its high I guess ) and Vitali's? I think Vitali was very hard to land on and has good defense. It's a lower connect % than by opponents than Marciano. Oddly enough I find Fury is not low. His opponents land a lot of punches on him despite his reach and height.

This is uncovered ground. I'm going to take a look at this book.

 

Everything is in the back of that book. It doesn’t have Bowe or Vitali numbers although I’m sure their numbers can be found as they boxed in the age of compubox
I should correct my statement and say Marcianos is the second lowest of the listed. I don’t know what say Chris Byrds is unless I look him up otherwise. The book mainly focuses on Ali’s numbers but a side note has these legends listed in the back

 

That was also Mike Tyson numbers not Tyson Fury.

 

I know. Got it. Punch stats if in a round by round format of punches thrown and landed, especially non -jabs can shed light in bad decisions! Can you post the #'s of the Ali vs Young fight? And the Lyle vs Ali fight. I think Ali lost the Young fight, and was behind in the Lyle fight before a semi controversial stoppage. Of course Norton 2 and 3! I read all the Ali fights are listed for punch stats.

 

A very entertaining read, thanks. I'd be interested in reading similar write-ups on Frazier and Lennox, if you have the time and feel like giving it a go.

 

Sadly I have the book in a storage facility as I’m between moves. I happened to have a pic of the total opp connect percentage saved on my phone. Other stats were taken as well. The ones u asked for are in the book. But unfortunately not at my disposal atm

 

I'll do one today one later.

Joe Frazier.

Power. Frazier could hit but he didn't stop his best fights with punchers, early save Quarry. Ali, Foremen, Bonevena, and Bugner all lasted the distance so there was an upper limit of his power. 8.5 out of 10

Stamina. Could go 15 rounds at press his man in every round. It very good for 15 rounds. Beyond what is allowed today. He was a punching machine. He could fire his hook all night. 10 out of 10.

Chin. Chins are tested when hit by punches period. Frazier chin was buttressed by his heart ( more on that later ) but he was blown out by Foreman easily and down vs. Bruce and Bonevena. He was also sunned by Bugner, and had his keens buckled by Stander in fights where he wasn't hit that much. In some trouble vs Mathis too. I say if 6 out of 10.

Defense. I mixed bag. He could bob and weave well and duck. Fair head moment, but not a gloved blocker or clincher all. Nor he avoid the clinch. And his defense vs the jab was not always there. Lucky for Frazier that his opponents general we on the run from him or covering up. A good offense was his best defense in that regard. 6 out of 10.

Ring Generalship and Smarts. Frazier fought the best possible way for him. He was limited guy on mostly a hooker hooker, but he fight the best style for him, cut off the ring well and know were to exchange punchers in the corners or when his man was one the ropes, not in the center on the ring. 9 of 10.

Heart. Few could match it. A true no retreat and no surrender type of man who gave his best. It's a 10 out or 10.

Size / Weight. Avenge for his time. 5.5 out of 10

Reach. Below average for his time. Only 73". 4 out of 10.

Height. A little short. 4.5 out of 10 in his time.

Boxing ability. Very good up close with hooks, and body shots. Below avenge right hand, seldom used upper cut and weak & seldom used jab. 6.5 out of 10. Might be a tad high.

Footwork, foot speed and hand speed. Good but not great footwork, quick feet and very fast hands. Frazier's hook was barely as fast as Ali jab and right hand. 8 out of 10

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Legacy. It would have been nice if he fought more often and fought more punchers as he missed out on in, Lyle Shavers, Norton, and Liston. No mid level fights vs. Mac Foster or Leotis Marin both of whom can hit too. His title fights with Stander and Daniels were real soft touches. But he will always be remembered for taking it too and badly being a near prime Ali. 8.5 out of 10. It could have been greater if he fought more often. He fought in a talent rich era.

Head to head. I don't think it fair to compare Fraizer to a modern day skilled super heavyweight that is much taller, much heavier, has a huge reach advantage, and good long jab, and more. Today there is a two and a half division disadvantage for him. We don't ask a Light Weight to beat Middle Weight do we? He has a puncher's chance vs most but not a long one in duration due his lack of durability. He tended to swell up a bit. Much better his time and before. He'd eat up the smeller boxer types without good power.

 

Moore hit him on the chin and floored him for a count of 4 with a right hand that dazed him so much he,by his own account, blacked out for a few seconds and ,when he go up started for the ropes expecting a standing count which was waved for title fights . Marciano was awful in the Savold fight.

 

He had the flu in the Savold fight but u could see his form was there with his physical peak.

 

He's a top five heavy.

49-0, with an absurd 88% knock-out ratio, six wins against 4 ATGs, five defenses against #1 contenders, and 1 against a #2 contender.

Put all the asterixes by it you like, and **** off.

 

He had the flu a week before the fight,not during it,He missed loads of punches and fell over during that fight . rd6 his form was awful.

Savold was at the end of the trail,he had put on10lbs since Louis had badly beaten him a year earlier.

"The will was there but not the body," said manager Daly. "I'm going to advise Lee to retire from the ring tomorrow."

John (Ox) DaGrosa, Pennsylvania state athletic commissioner, said he was going to suspend Savold indefinitely and ask him to retire.

 

Smith was a washed up name by the time he meet Dempsey. The Fulton win and how it happed is amazing. It was filmed too. Morris was a solid win, maybe among Dempsey's ten best.

This is a very good summary of his best fights. It has some seldom seen footage too.

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