How to save boxing

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by brown bomber, Jun 21, 2009.


  1. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    OK ITV are pulling the plug. I understand why in a way because boxing just isn't what it used to be. But the only way boxing can become what it once was is by a forward thinking set of matchmakers and promoters.

    At the moment they have it all wrong. The Broadcaster pays the promoter a set amount. The promoter then puts together a show based on the amount of money they get from the broadcaster.

    Ticket sales are a bonus and most TV shows are poorly attended with 200 fans or less. No effort is made to provide the ticket payer with a good night of boxing. All they do is use their undercards to build up they're fighters 35-0 records against journeyman so that eventually they will have another headliner to sell as a main event.

    This has to stop.

    If it continues the sport has about 5 years left, maybe less as a common sport. Something has to change and what I would do is begin to match my decent prospects against other decent prospects on undercards.

    At the moment we get:

    Main event

    Quality fighter Vs ok fighter/quality fighter/ waste of space

    then we get

    6 x

    Decent fighter Vs s/o- usually a dummy

    We need to use these 'money' shows as a chance to match prospect vs prospect.....

    Lets move forward and end these journeyman vs star amateur marathons. Its getting horribly boring and its time to change.

    Ryan Barrett Vs Willie Limond should have been on last weeks show.

    All these so called prospects aren't all going to make it- its time to match them up and get a bit of excitment back into the sport.

    But don't just match them up low key on some shoddy undercard then show 2 rounds. Show the whole thing, let these guys develop a terrestrial fan base.

    the cream will rise to the top and the rest will have to try again and improve but personally I don't see boxing been a major sport in 5 years time at this rate. I think pretty soon based on the last few FNF sky will drop it too......

    Then we've got Setanta who seem like a financial timebomb....

    Promoters I urge you to stop this bull **** now or you guys are going to be ****ed in 5 years.
     
  2. FLINT ISLAND

    FLINT ISLAND PENYRHEOL Full Member

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    Unforunately

    Frank Warren Britains main promoter

    While successful, etc

    Set the blueprint for building up these 40 wins 0 losses records at the local arena

    its **** and boring

    meaning you have to wait until the fighter has had 40 fights before you get to see him in a real big proper fight

    talk about dragging things out

    Hatton for example - was totally protected by Warren from Junior Witter

    spoiling a fight that could have been for the British title

    he had no problem throwing Witter to the Wolves though for a Zab Judah defense

    for thos slagging off Witter for running against Judah - in his defense he was a novice - he probaly didnt have the confidence to win

    he was fighting journeymen only had a few fights

    and he was thrown in with Judah then hyped as a pound for pound great and

    Witter was expected to get destroyed

    he did well in the circumstances just getting through it and probaly built his confidence up alot
     
  3. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Yes but Warren could easily have solved the problem with Witters percieved lack of marketability.

    Match Witter with Eamon magee post Hatton-Magee....

    a) Witter wins and impressed - he would have become a viable opponent

    b) Witter loses or looks shoddy and there is no longer the clamour for a match... instead we have all this bull ****.

    I wish I could sort this sport out... put me in charge for 12 months and I'd get British boxing back on the map.

    For me the BBBC needs a marketing department..... I'm they're man....It has to happen. They need a website. A identitiy. A news update.... A set of official ratings. They need to learn from the UFC.

    In essence the BBBC is the 'UFC' equivilent to MMA

    This could be a great idea.
     
  4. marty

    marty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Is there no way you are anyone else approach the BBB of C about ideas like this.
     
  5. FLINT ISLAND

    FLINT ISLAND PENYRHEOL Full Member

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    I know Witter and Hatton is a subject done to death

    but its a very good example of whats wrong with British Boxing in a way

    2 of the best Light welterweights in Britain - living and training in the same area of Britain - up North

    both the same age

    both world class in the end

    both in their prime

    both under the same promoter

    it should have been a British title fight years ago - maybe throw in the Commonwealth and European titles too

    but no

    Hatton just beats up bums and defends a silly WBU title
     
  6. rossd1506

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    Not just at the top level there is boxing clubs all over Britain closing down because they are no longer getting used. I think Boxing needs to be introduced into schools asap not just for the future of the sport but also for the benefits it would provide for the kids doing it and the values they would learn.
     
  7. marty

    marty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Where did you get this info from. I read somewhere that the amount of amateurs boxing in Britain is triple the amount since 2004.:think
     
  8. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    To be fair mate I would love to do this but I think the jobs far beyond someone like me. You'd really need a team of PR superstatrs to do this and I don't think the board has the money.

    If part of these costs were picked up by the promoters then maybe they could do something. I may speak to Rob Smith and see what his thoughts are on this kind of thing.

    it seems pretty certain that something needs to change.
     
  9. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I've heard that too.... in fact BN reported it a few months back.... We are very busy.

    Boxing as an activity is on the increase; as a spectacle its on the slide... what does that say.
     
  10. rossd1506

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    I seen an article recently about clubs no longer being able to afford rent rates due to rising prices and falling memberships. The club i use has started to turn more fitness based, it still is a boxing gym 1st and foremost but has started spin classes etc to get folk throught the door.

    In Glasgow we are seeing more muay thai- mma gyms and classes starting up.
     
  11. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Look at the UFC website FFS.

    http://uk.ufc.com/

    Thats how you do it..... turn it into a product again.... british title fights that can't be missed- not some 25-0 protected to **** non-puncher against s/o.

    Boxing can be saved but it needs action now. Its plain as day.
     
  12. marty

    marty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its the same here in Dublin, the boxing clubs are full. Our amateurs are among the best in Europe now. But like Britain we need the sport to get greater exposure on tv and with the media in general.:deal
     
  13. nulty

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    Sorry Jeff, I like you as a poster, but to me it seems like every 6 months for last 20 years, I've heard boxing is dying, this needs to happen that needs to happen etc etc.

    I agree with your ideas and there is a lot of room for improvement, but boxing isn't dying.

    We do need terrsestial tv coverage, just yesterday I had a party for my nephews bday at my place. I showed my uncles (who used to be into boxing but have drifted away from it) some fights I'd sky+ (friday fight nights, cotto v clottey etc etc) and they were transfixed, loved every second.

    The problem isn't that the quality of boxing has gone down it's that it's that not it's on the major channels or advertised. ITV4 how often does the average bloke check whats on ITV4?

    Ultimately the money comes from TV, If tv coverage dies out all together it might be good for boxing, you'd get more people going to shows, more people following local fighters, more competative undercards etc etc. Boxing would pick up gradually again we'd have decent fight and the TV men would be begging to have boxing back.
     
  14. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    robpalmer135 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    honestly, i think boxing was never that great in the first place. other than the Ali/Fraizer/Foreman era when was it that good? when did mainstream really care?

    Think about when Benn and Eubank were about, how many bums did they fight, and Lewis, people were calling Tua a test!!!