How underrated is Pacquiao's defense? (Statistically)

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  1. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Okay, Mayweather is the defensive master; however, Pacquiao's defense may be underrated. He's definitely more prone to be hit because of how much more offensive he is and willing to take punches to land, but I still think his defensive capabilities are overlooked.

    Pacquiao's defense resides in his footwork, his quick feet. He uses his in and out to get in, land, then get out of range. But, let's break this down and compare.

    Here are the percentages of how well opponents landed on Mayweather + Pacquiao. I'll show common opponents and then the last 3 fights.

    Shane Mosley
    FM: 20%
    MP. 20%

    Oscar De La Hoya
    FM: 24%
    MP: 21% ( 8 rds)

    Hatton
    FM: 17% (10 rds)
    MP: 23% (2 rds)

    Cotto
    FM: 21%
    MP: 29%

    Marquez
    FM: 12%
    MP: 29% (over 4 fights)

    Okay, now past 3 fights (2013-present)

    2013
    Canelo
    FM: 22%
    Rios
    MP: 26%

    2014
    Maidana
    FM: 26%
    Bradley
    MP: 32%

    2014
    Maidana 2
    FM: 22%
    Algieri
    MP: 23%


    That means on average, Pacquiao's opponents land at a 25% connect rate over those 8 opponents (Oscar, Mosely, Hatton, Cotto, Marquez 4x, Rios, Bradley, Algieri.) While for Mayweather, opponents land at around a 21% connect percentage. (Oscar, Mosley, Hatton, Cotto, Marquez, Canelo, Maidana 2x).


    Now, I'm not here to say Pacquiao's defense is comparable to Mayweather's... because it isn't. Mayweather is a defensive master. I just think it's important to show that Pacquiao isn't as easy to hit as some think. I think it is because at times Pacquiao's uses so much offense. Plus, Pacquiao is much more willing to take a punch to land his own. Like against lesser punchers, he'll be willing to take a right hand or hook, to be able to land his own combination because he knows they can't hurt him. It's a mind game and one of his secrets, he says. It ain't smart, but that's part of the game-plans he uses I guess, lol.

    Regardless, because of Pacquiao's quick feet, he's tough to hit. Reason why Rios said he felt he was fighting three Pacquiao's, and why Bradley said he couldn't deal with Manny. The in and out footwork is tough to deal with. All you see is a flash, feel punches, and by the time you realize what happened, Pacquiao is already away from you.

    So, yes, we will most definitely see a decline in Pac's landing percentage because his fighting a defensive-oriented fighter. (Pac's landing percentage is usually around 35% range).... but, I don't think it is crazy to think we will see a dip in Mayweather's landing % as well, especially since he hasn't fought an "in and out" fighter in a while.

    Pacquiao will be easier to hit just because of how offensive he is, but I still think he will be harder for Mayweather to hit than people realize.
     
  2. thesmokingm

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    Another thing to put into perspective is that in order to hit Pacquiao, you have to be willing to get hit. There's some kind of trade-off for MP opponents there. I can't quite put my finger on it because it's hard to quantify damage numerically.
     
  3. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah. I didn't write them down, but just looking at the compuboxes for each fight... in like all the fights with comparable opponents, you could see they were much more willing to throw at Mayweather than Pacquiao... usually by almost 100-150 more punches.
     
  4. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yea, and if they don't hit back at Pac he's able to throw around 100 punches a round like with Clottey and lower with Rios. Thus you have to hit Pac to slow him down. And in order to hit Pac, you have to be willing to trade and get hit. I think that will be Floyd's dilemma.
     
  5. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm really curious to see how Mayweather approaches this fight. I'll probably have a good idea on how the fight will go after the first 2 rounds
     
  6. larryx2012

    larryx2012 I AM BETTER THEN YOU Full Member

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    Manny is an ATG and an elite p4p fighter..of course he has decent defense
     
  7. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think it's better than decent... I think he actually has a really good defense. All in his feet though.
     
  8. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wow, that's like the first time I've read you write something not cringe worthy about Pac. :shock:
     
  9. larryx2012

    larryx2012 I AM BETTER THEN YOU Full Member

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    decent for an ATG...good for an average fighter
     
  10. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can live with that:good
     
  11. larryx2012

    larryx2012 I AM BETTER THEN YOU Full Member

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    I have nothing against Manny..just can't stand some of his uneducated fans...Manny came from nothing and made himself an ATG worldwide superstar.....how can anyone hate that??? thats motivation
     
  12. larryx2012

    larryx2012 I AM BETTER THEN YOU Full Member

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    and its not all in his feet,he slips and parrys punches well and is a decent counter puncher...Manny is smart and knows how to adjust..you dont make it to this level by mistake...
     
  13. DanishPride

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    I think its his feints and footwork. Manny feints all the time so hard for his opponents to engage.
     
  14. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He's copying Bruce Lee copying Ali. :D

    Heavily generalized joke. :lol:
     
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