How well would Sam Langford do today?

So because he doesn't agree with you, you conclude that he has never seen footage of Gans?

 

No, because he said that Gans was primitive and because he said that all fighters back then were crude. Also, because he likes stupid dinovelvet posts about Langford stance. If he decided to watch even one Langford fight, he'd know that he didn't fight that way, nor any of mentioned fighters and definitely not Gans.

 

So let me put it another way: Do you honestly believe, White Bomber has never seen any footage of Gans?

 

Either that or he's dishonest. Pick your option.

 

Or he may simply not see things the way you do. It's called "difference of opinion".

 

That could be possible, but given that he likes dinovelvet posts about Langford's stance, I find it likely that he never tried to watch even one full Gans footage. You can have different opinion about fighter's goodness, but you can't have different opinion about fighter's stance. Langford didn't fight the way dinovelvet described it, yet White Bomber liked all of his posts about the stance.

How can you explain that?

 

I can't explain that... but going from that to conclude, that he's lying about seeing these fighters, is a bit strong.

I mean, you don't think Fitz looks bad in the footage we have of him... furthermore, you believe he would knock out both Monzon and McCallum. This doesn't make me claim, that you have never watched Fitz on film... because of course you have. I just see Fitz in a different light, but would never accuse you of lying... even if I strongly disagree with you!

 

But I never denied that Fitzsimmons fought with low guard and leaning back style. I'm well aware of how Fitzsimmons fought, just like you - I just came up with different conclusions than you.

Meanwhile he is simply against facts. It's not about opinions, believing that dinovelvet is right is just wrong.

 

So now it's up to you to decide, what is the "truth", and what isn't? Wow, the level of arrogance...

Also, there's a new poster, very busy in this thread, who's saying things far worse that what comes from dinovelvet or White Bomber. How come you don't attack him? Could it be because he's more in line with your thinking?

 

Bruh you dont really do any analysis , you gotta lotta **** to say farce of fury and no analysis even now you are a pissant, You want me to figure out your rep and you showed me nothing. If I want analysis I look up Luis Mondas(sinister) or dadia aostorphson posts on checkhook boxing or greynotsoold here(i have seen damn near all of his sstuff) you however I have no idea who are but you are gonna get blocked as soon as I figure out how, you are wasting my time .You do not understand boxing (boxer trainer luis monda aka sinister who was trained by Mike mccallum has cred ,dadi the creater of the burley video understands what he sees my base knowledge comes from them ,2 actual boxing trainers , Hell I gotta guy I am training with right now. I do not get this push back on facebook (where I came from) cuz i can post gifs while im explaining **** people listen over there .**** off and learn the sport from a non modern day lens.

 

Langfords feints come from that rear arm position he would lift it to parry jabs or lift it to throw the right hand , it was hard to tell what he was gonna do , Lift the rear hand to pre emptively block jabs then fire his jab , or boom just throw a lead right hand . Also note he would feint jabs only to throw a lead hook etc. His defensive was ultra impressive he parried most jabs or blocked them with a forearm over his face and counter lead hook. What footage are you watching saying he lacks defense. Moore is not on his level and was the whipping boy of the black murderers row. Langfords pressure was akin to Joe louis pressure look at how often his opponent would be against the ropes forced to fight off the ropes.

 

What arrogance? We have Langford fights available on the tape and he didn't fought in stance dinovelvet implied he did. Seriously, what are you trying to do here? Do you agree with him that Langford fought in a stance that was similar to poses dinovelvet shared here? If not, then he's wrong, period.

It's not about being pro or against old timers. You can believe that Langford look like amateur on footage we have and you can believe he's terrible, but you can't deny that he fought in different stance than what dinovelvet provided. You just can't, because we have footage available and he didn't fight that way.

There is nothing arrogant about that. You can think that Fitzsimmons looks terrible, it's a matter of opinion. You can believe that Gans looks horrible, a lot of people would disagree with you but you can believe that. When you believe that dinovelvet described Langford's stance right way, then you are simply wrong. How can you call it arrogance?

No, I don't have the same opinion as Samtotheg. I don't believe that boxing has regressed and I don't believe fighters were much more skilled back then. I don't think that he said worse things than what dinovelvet said here though.

 

I have answered the question. How the heck am I supposed to give you an exact number ?!!
I don't know by heart, it's not like I've numbered them. If you are asking specifically about old timers, I've seen fights from Johnson, McVea, Langford, Gans, Dixon, C. Leon, Jeannette, Wills, Corbett, Fitzsimmons, Ketchel etc. Usually, what I found on Youtube.
They all would get beaten to a pulp by a modern boxer.
I do not pretent to be the ultimate authority on boxing nor do I intend to offend anyone, but this is my opinion.

 

Cause that is what my eyes tell me. Thet have better punching technique, more accuracy, better combination punching etc.
No, I don't think any of the turn of the century boxers could win a title today.

 

No, I don't agree with what dinovelvet said about Langford's stance. But that's not my point!

My point is, that too many posters here seem to think, they have somehow "patented" the "right" opinions. Too many condescending posters, who throw out the YDKSAB - and suggest that knowledgeable people go home and educate themselves, before coming on here and making fools of themselves! These arrogant posters should realize, that other posters can see things differently - without them necessarily being morons!

Langford would walk through Joe Joyce, and ko Fury, Joshua and Wilder - all 3 possibly same night! Has anything been said in this thread, worse than that?