How will boxing history remember Floyd Mayweather?

Ali didn't really overrate himself though did he, he backed up his talk by fighting a 'Murderers Row' or Heavyweights :good

 

Ali always said he would win, even when he didn't. He thought he could beat anybody at anytime. Of course he is one of the best, but he thought he was the best a long time before he actually was, which is why he overrated himself.

 

I see your point.

Floyd has a lot of ground to make up IMO. Even a conclusive win over Pac wouldn't mean he'd get a free pass into the upper echelon of greats IMO, some of his 'notable wins' are average at best (his tenure at 140 for instance)

 

To me he doesent have too many notable wins. I guess the Hatton fight was a big one because Hatton was undefeated and stuff, but still, Hatton was never a great fighter, and struggles to make good in my opinion. Mosley dropped him and Mosley is so far over the hill that he can he can barley help Jack and Jill back to their feet. He is a good fighter, but he needs to start caring about legacy. Being the current most popular boxer is one thing, but in ten years he'll struggle to make the top 50 boxers of all time based on his opponant's levels. He is a great and taleted boxer, but he needs those big quality wins if he ever wants to amount to anything more than boxing's Daniel Bedingfield.

 

having a O on your record dont mean your a ATG ,i think mayweather thinks this.....sugar ray ,hagler,hearns duran imo woulda beat mayweather.im not really a fan of mayweathers but you gotto admire his skill set tho.

 

Yeah that's the problem. Those guys can take a sledgehammer punch, so that counter of May's would be discounted, and those guys could either take him out or make a killing on points. May needs to look at the guy he acts so much like, Ali, and take a look at Foreman, Liston, Frazier etc. and realize that Ali was a great because he faught against the greats. and not nesseserilly because he beat them.

 

Good post Mr Awesome ^^^

 

Thought you'd like that post mate in particular the 'you dont neccessarily have to beat them' bit

No it was a good post Mr Awesome but for me the fact Ali was successful in those fights takes it to the next level. Level of opposition has to be 1 of the criteria but not if you keep losing the big fights, I mean Mayorga's lost to a host of World Champs that dont make him an ATG. You gotta win most and Floyds won em all against good level fighters as previously stated.

He is a contradiction in terms though actually becuase he talks with a lot of swagger, hails himself as better than SRR, Ali, Jones Jr etc but then shows a distinct concern for being beaten by not pushing himself to fight a great level of opponents rather than the decent ones he has. A lot of people say he scared to fight Pacquaio. Hes not. Its not specifically Pacman hes scared of I believe its anyone who HE deeply feels has a chance of taking his 0 as it were. Here lies the contradiction.

That all stems from Floyd himself putting all his emphasis on being undefeated when judging his career credentials against the aforementioned names and only that. Hes not the only one guilty of it Calzaghe another World class operator is the same. We can see theres other factors and when judging his legacy but Moneys focus is just one 1. I dont feel he falls short on ability, achievements and yes Winning record but he makes it tricky at times as a fan of his to have his back when he says some things and his actions dont always back them up

 

The 2nd best in his weight class, IMO he will never beat Pacman, that's why he keeps ducking him.

 

Yeah of course Ali had to take some of them, but like Joe Frazier, if you just step up and show skills and heart, you can lose to the best and still be one of the greatest of all time. Of course Floyd is great, but like anybody in any competitive situation, he has grown to be afraid of his record. The Pacquiao fight is just one of many there for him, and he won't take them because he fears that in his first mega fight against someone who is greater than a massive underdog, he could lose, and rightfully he'd become a nobody. The Mayweather fans would decrease big time as that 0 they follow would abandon them and they would soon disperse and look for the next hope, probably would all jump into the anus of Alvarez, and it would make me uncomfortable . Floyd can claim hes better than everyone, as Ali did before, but Ali stepped into the ring as an underdog and gave it his all to try and take the win, wether he did or not. Floyd will never go in when less than 80% of boxing fans predict him winning.

 

Dawg haven't read the whole of your post yet, but your cheeky dig in the first line (nob ) can be easily explained; I agree wholeheartedly about your reference to Ricardo Mayorga. I would add that he can be assesed positively through losing efforts though. His performances in certain fights lend him kudos due to doing it against top class opposition.

But as big a win as Forrest was, and in the calibre he has mixed in, he is clearly not an ATG. Just one of many number of very useful fighters. Mayorga isn't getting robbed against great fighters like say, Alan Rudkin arguably was. He was putting in a spirited performance but, more often that not, stopped in the second half of the fight. I haven't seen his fight with Cory Spinks which is shameful of me, I imagine he didn't look great in that either?

And we know this because he faced the best consistently.

Floyd hasn't but has showed better attributes than Mayorga (in most insances) with a steady group of very good to top class fighters at different weights (I don't see that as a guaranteed WOW factor for reasons I've been through many times in this thread, one P4P achievment I ranked massively higher, for instance was Fighting Haradas arguably conquer of 3 'original weight classes) and has shown a high technical level agaist these guys, accurate punching and an ability to make adjustments (amongst other things, and other arguably stylistic fallacies as well)

Those things do trump Mayorgas numerous losing performances and a very solid win (two wins depending on how you score the Forrest rematch) but, there ARE great fighters who have also shown a lot about themselves in losing efforts. I don't just say 'he's better simply because he fought a lot of greats' or otherwise I'd have some legendary journeyman ranked above Floyd But some of these losing fights can add more to fighters ranked right at the very top. But as Floyd is nowhere near there on my list it's not often a gripe when ranking him, although info find it hard to pick between him and James Toney sometimes. I rank Floyd higher because he has as many inexcusable losses (Tiberi?!? WTF) as he does valiant/controversial ones (Sam Peter fight for instance, an ex-middleweight fighting one of the highest-ranked Heavys and not getting decimated? That helps me to rank him in the 'talents and attributes' criteria) but I don't know.....Floyd still has a chance to make all this real yet, I really hope he does, he's an 'enigma' to me, I should love him but....opposition is such a big factor for me when judging a fighters abilities, I'm unshoiftable on it

Anyway, I will read the rest of your post, that first bit made me chuckle though :good

 

Don’t make sense about, not because he beat them... you mean face them and lose?

He faced them and he beat them.

Just because he didn’t face them, doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have beaten them.



Are you saying Floyd Mayweather is the Shane Mosley of our era?

 

Don't understand the above post at all.

 

He'll be remember for the time he got KO'ed when it happens!

Otherwise, as a highly skilled defensive fighter ala Willie Pep or Griffo

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Void, Jr. will be remembered as the greatest woman beater of all time!