How will boxing history remember Floyd Mayweather?

Was a long winded and pretty lame way of saying why use facing top level of competition and losing as part of criteria summit **** like that.

With Floyd I give him the benefit of the doubt with regards to his opponents/victories altough he needs a legacy defining win that Manny would provide. And yes I do place actually winning the majority of big fights over simply just fighting them as I boringly state quite often but even I can see 2 wins over mismtached bums doesnt trump a win and a loss with a good showing against great oppostion.

Couldnt help that well intentioned dig Flea, glad you liked it :good I'll also get to your post later looks like a good 1 and/or a rant but with the nature of this quality thread and you nigh on proving your not a Floyd hater lol I reckon it'll be a decent read during break. ****ing work.

Mr Awesome yes I agree of course, theres no comparisons with Ali and Floyd in level of opposition. Ali faced a whos who of greats including some ferocious punchers and beat most when often he wasnt picked to win especially in Zaire. With Frazier he beat some very good fighters and his relentless pressure, booming left and sheer guts make him so hard to like. He is a case of who he lossed to not hurting his career to be fair because to only lose to 2 men who were not only phenominal fighters but stylistic nightmares for Joe.

You've really helped perhaps answer an earlier question with that Mr Awesome as I wondered whether Floyd losing to Manny would help his legacy more than not fighting him at all or if he had to WIN that fight to get the boost in the yes of boxing history. Mannys the most aggresive fighter Floyds faced he might prove to be stylistically difficult for Money. If thats the case, like with Frazier, how can you mark him down for only losing to the best under those circumsrtances?

Good stuff man

 

my opinion hasn't changed from my origional post

The hunger from boxing fans to see Mayweather lose says allot.

 

I don't think those guys would be considered genuine fans. I don't want to see him lose, just to see his skillset fare against Elite opposition.

 

Ok. I still disagree that a fighter should get props for fighting beyond there prime.

 

Not just fighting beyond their prime, but giving a good account of themselves past their prime. Does it mean you lose points for 'getting out at the right time'? Course not.

But B-Hop (for example) gets more credit for the fight against Pascal than a prime version would. He's got more to battle against.

As I say, you have to look at everything when judging a fighters abilities, not just what the result shows on boxrec :good

 

Similarly, beating a fighter who hasn't shown too much past his prime doesn't get the winning fighter as much kudos as he he would for beating that guy in their prime.

 

I don't think he should get any more points for fighting Pascal now or 10 years ago.

It detracts (not sure if thats the right word) from the record of fighters like Calzaghe, Lewis and even Mayweather that got out at the right time.

 

No, it doesn't detract from them. If they've done enough in their primes, like Lennox for instance, they'll have no worries being given the respect they deserve.

I guess Floyd doesn't get any extra kudos for fighting Castillo with an injured arm either?

 

Floyd will be more respected now than if he fights and loses to Pacquiao, but in ever breath mentioned will be Pacquiao. He has had no greater and memorable challenges to mention them. Pacquiao on the other hand has wins that will be remembered before Mayweather gets mentioned. His epic fights in the lower weights and since moving up, not only has he broken the records, but he has faced guys in epic fights such as Cotto and Margarito. Mayweather's fights have been against guys at the same weight which he is just too good for. Pacquiao has faught guys he's much better than, but who are so much stronger than what he can take, and that one aspect will make him go down in the record books alone. Mayweather needs this fight if he wants any chance at going down as a legend. It's a risk, but surley he doesen't want to sit on the rim standing as just a 'great defensive boxer who never faught Pacquiao' and aim for that 'Man who defeated anybody and everybody', because despite not fighting many greats, that one fight with Pac will have him remembered that way.

 

Great skill set but his career went down a similar path to Roy Jones. He faced his toughest opponents earlier in his career and dodged them in the 2nd half.

Floyd chased an old DLH with a begging bowl to finally get a big pay day from the PPV king oscar. Since then hes all about the $$$ and his attitude is disgraceful tbh. I dont mind cocky fighters but nobody has shown the same level of arrogance and ignorance.

I mean who did he face at Jr welter and welterweight? Always took the easy option in Gatti and Baldomir etc. Opportunity was there for a Tzsyu fight as well as prime Margarito, Cotto and Winky.

He wasnt interested in legacy fights so he hasnt left a lasting one.

 

This contradicts what you said earlier unfortunately. You gave credit to fighters when fighting other big names and not neccesarily needing to win (hence my lil dig to flea!) and yet you feel his legacy would look better without fighting Pac than taking the aforementioned risks and losing :? This kind of justifies Floyd in not taking the fight then coz why would he run the risk if his legacy isnt guaranteed a boost to it? And remember, Floyds obsession with his 0 and genuine belief that he belongs in the same breath as the Sugar Rays, Alis etc kind of explains why he wouldnt want to run the risk.

I sort of agree that pacman will be mentioned in the same sentence as Floyd whether this fight comes off or not, I wrote that in an earlier post. I actually think it works vice-versa too, not due to previous achievements but because they are to 2 lb for lb best fighters of this era boxing history wouldnt be able to write about the 2 without a mention of the other. 1 of many reasons why the fight should happen. Doesnt mean it will mind!

 

The best fighter of his generation full stop. Some people hate but his talent and skills don't lie. He is clearly in the argument when you talk about the best ever. He is that good.

 

So you judge the best ever on purely on skills with no consideration into how poor his resume is?

Please list Floyds top 5 wins and compare them to Pacquiaos.

 

Don't worry, Olu once said the only man to be 50-50 against Floyd is Ajose Olusegun

I respectfully disagree with both that opinion and the one he has professed above :good