How will Cotto land enough shots on PBF to do damage

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  1. Sandmanl337

    Sandmanl337 Pactard Full Member

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    Awesome post :thumbsup.. I've noticed a lot of people are beginning to lean towards Cotto the more he fights.. People do underestimate his speed and skills.. You're right on spot about Cotto being able to use a consistent powerful jab where Oscar tired out and stopped using it.. Cotto's stamina and consistent/accurate workrate is what makes me believe he'll beat Floyd who'll be on a defensive bicycle.. :bbb
     
  2. Sandmanl337

    Sandmanl337 Pactard Full Member

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    And why is that the logical outcome? Cotto has a helluva chance to win this fight.. Cotto may be hit more, but that's because he boxes every round for all three minutes.. Floyd plays defensive more than half the time, playing it safe to a decision win.. Cotto may not go for the KO's, but he fights, and when he gets hit, he recovers so well..
     
  3. ganchozurdo

    ganchozurdo Active Member Full Member

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    really hahahah :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  4. Antwuan Maxx

    Antwuan Maxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was an oversight, because from the looks of it..he only follows the career of Floyd Mayweather. :lol:
     
  5. ganchozurdo

    ganchozurdo Active Member Full Member

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    tell me how is floyd going to avoid those body head combinations that cotto throws, how is he going to avoid getting hit in the body like the body punch gomez got hit with in the last fight i just dont see it floyd will get busted up if he fights cotto, his face got swollen against odlh imagine agaionst cotto he gets stopped against cotto thas a fact
     
  6. jaco

    jaco Thomas Hearns Full Member

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  7. Sandmanl337

    Sandmanl337 Pactard Full Member

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    Great post to you as well.. :thumbsup I have yet to see a Floyd fan or anyone else provide such an analysis like these to why or how Floyd would win except potshot this, potshot that.. Kudos to the ya'..
     
  8. jaco

    jaco Thomas Hearns Full Member

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    Thanks, I fixed the colour now aswell. :D
     
  9. Bslice

    Bslice Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah this is the type of thing I was looking for
     
  10. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Cotto may not do damage at all . . . but enough to win rounds.
     
  11. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    I originally posted this in early March (I can give you guys a link or tell you other posters who can verify this), but here's my analysis on a potential fight between Floyd Mayweather Jr and Miguel Cotto.

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    Technical pressure is the way to beat Floyd. Nobody in the welterweight division brings technical/educated pressure the way Cotto does. He's better than Jose Luis Castillo in this regard and a far more versatile fighter - he's got more facets to his game than does Castillo. Hatton brought a swarming style with mostly roughhousing tactics, so it's stupid to compare the two as some do. Floyd has always fared better against swarmers who leave themselves open coming in as seen not only in his fight with Hatton, but also Jesus Chavez.

    Cotto’s jab alone could offset Floyd, who has shown liabilities against right jabs at welterweight and at 150. Even in the Hatton fight, Ricky was timed him with a couple jabs early on. Floyd would lead with a left hook and Hatton would duck it or take a step back and time him with his own jab. But Ricky doesn't consistently throw the jab. When he did lead with it, those were the instances where he was able to get inside without taking crisp counter shots in the process. The problem with Hatton is his failure to work inside. I was screaming at the television, telling him to let his hands go with short combinations to the body and the head. But he holds, grapples, and throws an occasional punch.

    A thing I noticed in the De La Hoya fight is that when Floyd is pressured by somebody who leads with a good left jab, he backs straight into the ropes. When he's on the ropes, he picks his spots and can be very sneaky. But his punch output also decreases which means he can be roughed up and outworked. On the ropes, I think Cotto would put him into somewhat of a shell. I believe that Cotto's activity and power would catch the attention of the judges in these occurrences.

    Cotto has underrated speed of foot. He's not as fast as Hatton on his feet, but he is far more steady, intelligent, and consistent in his approach. No doubt he'd find a way to close the gap and make Floyd fight because Floyd doesn't give the same movement he used to at 130 or 135. As I mentioned before, on the inside, he is very fluid and throws short, accurate combinations upstairs and downstairs. Hatton, on the other hand, holds and grapples, which is effective at 140, but not against fighters at 147 whom he does not hold a strength advantage over. Cotto is more accurate and calculating than De La Hoya is on the inside. De La Hoya will let his hands go in flurries to catch the attention of the judges, but he's not as consistent as Cotto in close (because he lacks Cotto's stamina), nor is Oscar as accurate. Oscar is actually more of an outside fighter. He's never been as good when he has to bring the fight to somebody relentlessly.

    People underrate Cotto's handspeed and timing too; he’s one of the quickest fighters in the division in terms of handspeed. He's mixes it up real well and is more unpredictable in his offensive attack than most give him credit for. Definitely a very cerebral fighter; Switches southpaw, switches back to orthodox, lead with different shots. He has the ability to change up the trajectory and angles of certain shots to catch faster fighters. He showed this against Quintana and Zab Judah, with the uppercut and left hook. I don't think there's a ribcage that Cotto can't find.

    Cotto's defense is good enough for him not to get "check-hooked" or embarrassed with right hand leads. His high guard prevents this as does the jab on the way in. Floyd would definitely hit him though with uppercuts and straight shots up the middle (probably stun him a few times), as Judah was able to do. But the lack of combinations at 147 from Floyd wouldn't be enough from keeping Cotto off of him or enough to make Cotto fight a tactical fight on the outside where he would be at a disadvantage. Floyd is stronger than he's given credit for, but he's definitely not as strong as Cotto or Mosley for that matter. This means that, unlike Mosley, Floyd wouldn't get Cotto on the backfoot, looking to counter as Mosley was.

    Simply put, Cotto has all the tools to beat Floyd in my view. And I don't say this because I'm a big fan of Cotto. I call fights how I see them and I've never gone against Floyd in the past. On the other hand, I have gone against Cotto.

    Floyd would have to fight with him for most of the fight he would get outworked, out muscled, and roughed up. Floyd would take some rounds based on his counter punching and clean punching. I see a 116-112 type decision on the scorecards.

    If this fight happens in mid/late 2009, I think this works to Cotto's advantage because he's getting better and getting valuable experience, whereas Floyd's reflexes and speed are steadily decreasing (it's not rapid at all, but it's apparent when you compare the current 147 pound version with the versions from the lower weights).
     
  12. Sandmanl337

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    That analysis by Jaco brought up a question in my mind.. If Floyd was losing to Cotto in a fight, or anyone for that fact, and he knew it, do ya'll think he would continue fight fair and take his loss or would he fight dirty? Just a out of the blue question..
     
  13. Bslice

    Bslice Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As far as I can say, Floyd is a good sportsman, after watching his last defeat in the olympics, he was very gracious and seemed to maintain a happy go lucky attitude despite the outcome. You never know though, he probably wants to keep that 0 so bad he'll lower himself and throw a nutshot or two
     
  14. jaco

    jaco Thomas Hearns Full Member

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    Great analysis my friend.:happy

    I suspect Floyd will react like he did in the Castillo fight. He'll try every trick in the book (Eg: Elbows, hitting at the bell) in order to get the advantage. I don't think he'd get himself purposely disqualified though, just rough things up.
     
  15. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wow, I"m amazed by the intelligent analyses of this fight. Like another poster said, where are all the floyd NUTHUGGERS (Fitzgerald, GRap, Bigtime, etc.)? It's one thing to believe a fighter can win, but to not have any valid assessment is ridiculous.

    Anyways, but i agree 100% with the posts in here. The key to defeating Floyd is EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION. Think about it, over the hill DLH took floyd to a split decision with a jab for half the fight and ineffective aggression.

    At this point in their careers, Cotto has more tools than DLH has to defeat Floyd. I'm not going to sit here and type all the same things that others have said b/c I know I cant say it any better.

    Cotto all the way by unanimous decision b/c high workrate and FLoyd doesnt have the power to keep Cotto off of him. Nor does PBF have the work rate to make rounds go in his favor (unless he just hasnt had to expend that much energy).