How Will Kostya Tzsyu Be Remembered?

haha, no **** right? ive heard greatest 140 pounder ever. top 5 for sure. blah blah.
its amazing the number of big fights that never happened...wont say ducked...but he foght alot more average guys than dangerous ones...judah and hatton were the only ones that were super fight caliber. go back and check your ring magazines for the countless other fights that werent made. but were talked about by tv guys

 

i also have a problem with fighters who dont seek out a return match with someone who beat them...especially their first loss

 

IMO, at 140, peak Tszyu outpoints Mosley in a razor-thin SD thriller.

 

Sweet Pea if you are such the ****ing expert on this board and you ****ing word should be gospel.

Why the **** did your man Mijares get his ass handed to him by Darchinyan.


So dont get on here and try tell us **** about you think Benitez would man handle Tszyu.

You think you know all yet one thing you never take into account why Most of your so called greats were fighting guys with records of (0-5 -0) Tszyu was fighting Juan LaPorte. Who had just lost a close fight to Azumah Nelson while Tszyu in his 4th Pro fight Handed LaPorte a Boxing Lesson.

You know **** All. H2H Tszyu would give Pryor a run for his money and to say he wouldnt is just plan ****ing stupid.
You come on here every time Tszyu is bought up and try tell us he did nothing is not a great.


Yet Tszyu out of all the best 140 guys was the only man to Unify the division.

And also is the only man to fight more than Ten Title fights on foriegn soil.

And Win them.

SO GET A ****ING CLUE.

If Lennox LEWIS is a Great well Kostya Tszyu is a Great.

If people are going to look at a Fighters Pro career can they PLEASE look at there whole career. Not just the names they fought.

Tszyu cant help it fighters were **** scared of him. After the Judah fight No One wanted to fight him. And that is the truth.

But i dont look at a fighters loss's i look at how he won them.

And from My memory i havnt seen anyone beat Judah like that and Tszyu fought Judah in his Prime.

Here a a List of fighters that a Prime Tszyu i think would Beat.

Cotto
Hatton
Gatti
Chavez
Forrest
Cervantes
Mosley
Randall
Castillo
Clottey
Williams

And these are the fighters i think are toss up fights.

Dela Hoya
Mayweather
Pryor
Whitaker
Locche
Taylor
Duran

There thats my opinion its only an opinion.

Sweet Pea will try to tell you that Tszyu wouldnt beat the guys i think he would but then again many thought he wouldnt blow Judah away in 2 rounds and Mitchell in 3.

 

A top 5 ATG Light-Welterweight.

And a ****ing legend of boxing.

 

people dont have to cast their minds back far to remember just how feared and highly rated he was . short memories .
i honestly think alot of people give hatton zero credit for reasonsi cant fathom and let this cloud their judgement on tszyu .

their loss .

 

Boppa I admire your passion but I would tell a lot of those guys would probably beat Kostya.

Duran, Pryor, Whitaker, Chavez and Benitez especially.
I would actually put Mosley in with the toss ups.

I think its a little hard to say how Kostya would deal with some of the dedicated welters aswell.

Kostya was a legend and will be remebered fondly by a lot of people. I actually think his style and his likeable personality will see him remembered and maybe ranked higher then he should be.

If you really look at the division and the fighters in it over the years, Kostya doesnt match that well with a lot of them. Its no diss on Kostya, just a nod to the talent that has graced this division since its inception.

Totally agree about your point regarding Tszyu's early career. He fought some good opposition when he was still relatively green and you dont see that much anymore.
Back in the day a lot of fighters did some of their best work in the non-title bouts before or between title bouts. Sometimes at catchweight, sometimes they moved up in the interim. Case in point, Jose Napoles.. He was essentially the uncrowned champion at jnr welter before he ever won his world titles at welter. A lot of people overlook that and just rank him on his title reign but he had some legacy building fights that werent title fights. So did Duran, So did Robinson, So did Griffith (I think, might have to check that but I think he did fight guys like Moyer, Luis Rodriguez, Ortega, and more in non-title bouts). I give Kostya a fair bit of credit for those early wins.

 

lets be honest, toward the later stage of his career
the guy had tremendous pull , thats how he got away with fighting chumps like
sharmba mitchell II
james leija
ben tackie
otkay urakal
ahmed santos

name fighters, that doesnt mean much other than names
ruelas ( glorified club fighter)
chavez (ancient)
miquel angel gonzalez ( pushing it here)

fights that could have been made in his prime

frankie randall
ODL
Pernell Whitaker
vernon forrest
mosley
prime CHAVEZ

to name a few

 

Your attitude stinks almost as much as your boxing knowledge. Sweet Pea clearly stated "IMO" in the post you are responding to, so I don't know where you get this "if you're such a ****ing expert" bollocks from, the guy was simply giving his honest opinion on the thread-subject.

Tszyu-Duran would be a toss-up? Go and toss off over Tszyu a bit more, because you're embarrassing yourself here.

 

well, maybe so, bottom line is all the guys he didnt fight were all involved in big fights numerous times....Tszyu was in 2......
but thats whats wrong in boxing, the best match ups seldom happen, and if they do its after the fact

 

It's not plain stupid it's the truth. Arguello threw EVERYTHING he had at Pryor in both fights and it did nothing. NOTHING. Regardless of Pryor's extra-curricular activities, at 140 he was nigh on unbeatable, and the only man I think could do it at that weight would be Ortiz. He was better at 135 but I think he's the greatest 140 of all time so I'd pick him over Pryor.

Tszyu, whilst very good with a fantastic amateur pedigree and a sharp right hand, was stopped by Vince Phillips. Pryor, coming from all angles relentlessly, could box AND punch, and would stop Tszyu within five rounds.

And I like Tszyu.

 

He also thinks Prime Tszyu would beat PRIME Chavez. Absolutely crazy. I'm not sure if Chavez's prime was at 140 lol.

 

Well, I see you're still ****ing delusional.

 

Just because you have no knowledge doesn't mean anything.

He was one of the greatest 140lb champions of all time whether you like it or not.

 

Because he was mentally weaker than I thought he was.

I didn't say he would man-handle him, I said he would handle him, meaning anything Tszyu could throw at him, Benitez would have an answer for.

Who are you referring to?

You're referring to Featherweight Juan LaPorte who was near the end of his career? I've said often that Tszyu got progressively worse as his career moved on, so it's not saying much anyway that he would've put in more impressive performances early on. That was, until he ran into the great Vince Phillips.

I never said any of that, except for the part about Pryor, who'd get Tszyu out of there within about 6 rounds.

In terms of accomplishments, he's one of the best, as he stayed there his entire career and didn't fight in an era where any of the other elite 140 pounders resided.

Lewis's resume is far better than Tszyu's.

My main quarrell here isn't his resume, it's his head to head ability. I don't think he was versatile enough to hang with many of the greats, especially the pressure fighters.

You really put that much merit into his KO win over Judah, who's been proven to be a second rate fighter? If that's the best you can come up with, I don't see why you're getting on my case.

Clottey and Williams are too big and strong for the natural Light Welterweight Tszyu. They'd both likely stop him. I'd pick Mosley to stop him in a war similar to how Phillips did. Stylistically I honestly don't see how you could say otherwise. Cervantes was taller, rangier, had the better jab, and was just as accurate and offensively damaging. I'd edge him over Tszyu as well.

Chavez is the perfect stylist to beat Tszyu prime for prime. I'd take most elite pressure fighters over him, as they typically took away his ability to control the distance and press a fight, as well as his ability to get off. Favoring him over the much bigger Forrest as a pro based on their amateur bout is silly for a number of reasons, I think you know that.

The only one I'd give him a good chance at is Taylor due to Taylor's defensive liabilities.

Just as I said mine was, yet you feel the need to whine like a ***** and throw insults.

Judah and Mitchell are a far cry from the fighters mentioned above. You need a broader perspective.