How will Solis ever become popular in The USA, when he even can't speak english?!

He acts like a normal American once he opens his mouth, I dunno what are you talking about.

 

There is more to popularity then a language barrier, klitschko´s speak english yet theya re not popular there at all. Its exciting style that does the most for you, a demographic fan base also helps. But picking up a language is never a bad idea.

 

Margarito, Marquez, Cotto, Morales, Barrera, Mayorga, Trinidad.......and plenty more non-English speaking fighters managed it:think

 

You beat me to it!
Listen to James Toney for a few minutes and then explain what he said.

 

He does. He opens his mouth and the same words come up, 'cheeseburger', 'french fries', 'super size' and 'Pepsi'. He eats like any American, and he'll eat the language barrier with hot chocolate for breakfast.

 

Language is irrelevant or at least not a significant impediment. While it could be helpful - of course - it wouldn't prevent a great talent from receiving ample attention, respect, and acclaim.

It is his lack of high end athletic talent that will dictate why he will garner no material success in the US market.

ALL of the heavyweights are pedestrian athletes.


None of the athletes over here respect the large sized guys boxing - they can easily identify that these are limited unimpressive athletes.


When the athletes don't respect the guys in the sport then the kids and other sport fans will likely be influenced and follow suit.

Boxing has been falling for many many generations and the result is an increasing lack of talent in the sport and corresponding lack of interest over here. American heavyweights are all bums - all the Europeans are simply the same - more or less.

Pedestrian and unimpressive. Only a non-athletic gimp could be impressed with these large but unexceptional space fillers (or someone living in a homogeneous land of limited athletes in which case it is largely because they have never seen great athletes that they don't realize they exist).

 

he is fat and does not speak english - sounds like a lot of americans to me.

 

While a lot of bums are fat and out of shape, you are ignoring limited innate athletic talent - you can be in the best condition possible but if you are an unexceptional athlete - you may well find bums to be competition.

When all the best athletes in the sport are "C's" with an occasional "B" - the absence of "A's" is less obvious. The heavyweight division doesn't have any "A" level quality - but there is an increasing abundance in other sports. Watching fit conditioned "C" level athletes compete is STILL watching pedestrian athletes compete. Being fit doesn't make you quality.

 

I think that's unfair to Haye and both Klitschko. They were pretty much olimpians when younger or in Vitali's case, kick boxing champion, you don't get more athletic than that. And unlike Solis, they've kept themselves in top shape.
If there was a list with the top athletes in boxing, Wlad and Haye would be somewhere near the top of it. Plus, this isn't athetics, it's boxing. Usain Bolt would get KOd by FlyWeights.

 

Of course there are better athletes than kickboxers. Far more athletic. There are athletes with size 6'5" to 6'10" that move like small men with exceptional hand speed, foot speed, agility, quickness, and obviously (considerably) more innate talent.

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Haye's move (and Toney's several years ago and Adamek's more recently) to heavyweight is more a substantiation of the weakness in the largest weight class. Haye is certainly a "B" level guy - whether he has the REAL size to thrive in today's era (especially if the sport were not in such a total decline) with a larger and larger number of large sized athletes on the planet remains (somewhat) to be seen.

Yes, the Klits and Haye would be at the top of the athletic quality chart in the sport's heaviest division today. But that is saying little. In every other sport, there are more high end athletes in today's era than in the 70s, 80s, 90s, etc. Only boxing is deficient. Separating boxing from athletics is always incorrect.

Great athletes have the option of playing multiple sports on the way up and would be GREAT in several (of course, they can only commit themselves to one in the end).

The many generation decline of interest in boxing, the lack of subsidy, the lack of state or educational sponsorship, etc., have all combined to leave an empty and undeniably inferior talent pool (compared to what it should be and could be - especially when we have so many other athletic endeavors as a point of reference to see how they have evolved).

There really is no argument. Merely list out the American heavyweights. ANY one involved in the US sport scene at the university/collegiate level can easily affirm that US athletes continue to thrive and improve - they are simply not pursuing boxing. That trend is long supported by the demographic numbers in our pro sports. Would you suggest that Ali, or Tyson, or Holyfield are one-offs? No way. There would actually be a dozen of each if the demographic trends hadn't been reversing in the pro sports. 13% of population has been on a second derivative climb in their representation in the pro sports relative to being at MUCH lower levels in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s.

Look at your list of current American heavyweights and ask yourself - is this really representative of quality athletes? If there was to be a fight - the last group I would want to go to battle with is that complete joke of athletic material. The qualities and attributes that makes an extraordinary and exceptional athlete is still abundant in the US - it is why these endeavors are the most watched activities (bar none) in the entire country. It is why 300 million people who love entertainment don't give a **** right now about boxing. It is NOT because of the lack of quality Americans but rather the LACK of quality in ALL the sport's participants. With the exception of someone like Pac - no one over here is interested in watching pedestrian heavyweights - INCLUDING the guys at the very top. The numbers aren't an illusion - they are arguably "B" level guys in an "A" level world. Until great athletes return to the sport no gets much out of watching this level of talent compete.

 

i fully believe that if you are a guy under 30 who wants to be a popular american based heavyweight, you simply have to be in top shape, ripped etc. the average joe public is going to look at solis as fat if he wins a title, which will right or wrong, reflect badly on the sport

 

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