How would 21st century training, nutrition 'n PEDs improved ATGs?

I think the top tier of speedsters would have to be Jones, Camacho, Leonard. Then Meldrick Taylor, Terry Norris, Hearns and maybe Pacman/Mayweather. Patterson/Ali/Robinson have calls from the pre 80s crowdto be in that secondary tier

 

Thought you'd give up enquirer, its for the best

 

In boxing, weight training was well out of fashion until the late 80s/early 90s.
Most trainers were dead against it, and the fighters who lifted did it rarely or with light resistance usually.
In 1988 Holyfield was viewed as a curiosity for his weight-training program.

Shavers wasn't even ripped, so I wouldn't bring him up.
Anyone could be roiding though. (But steroids and being ripped aren't that closely linked. Although roid use can help preserve muscle while hard dieting, of course)

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Hagler was ripped. Yes, he might have been on roids. But so might anyone.
We know Hagler was definitely not using supplements or even lifting weights. He did all the old-fashioned stuff and nothing else. I think he stopped running in his army boots for his last few fights, so he wasn't a complete dinosaur in his methods.

Some boxers may have been using in the 50s and 60s though. And as I said before, boxers were taking shots and pills whatever their doctors gave them for decades. Ali was notorious for taking shots and pills. And stimulants and painkillers have been commonplace in boxing going back 100 years or more. With that sort of culture around some champions and their trainers, I daresay testosterone shots came into some camps very early indeed.

 

Give up??!!!!
I just went off to get my protein bar.....

 

I dont know. There have been too many fighters to remember.

But I do think that every one of those fast fighters was fast because of their genetics.
I bet most of them were faster when they were starting out as kids too.

 

Did any of them get faster AFTER taking up weights,supplements,etc?

 

I doubt it.
They were probably unbelievable speed demons when they were kids.

Speed is the most genetically determined and limited quality in any athletic activity.

They are "born fast".
As far as I know, the entire training science community agrees on this.

 

If we look at some of the guys like jones,spinks,hopkins,mosley,de la hoya who used supplements and weight training LATER on in their careers,i think its plain to see that it definately enabled them to compete at higher weights without getting fat.
But,i would say only holyfield really got better as a boxer as a result of all these hi tech methods.
I fail to see how hagler,leonard,greb,robinson,ali,duran and such like would have got better through new training methods. Those guys had the genetics,skills AND most importantly as stonehands mentioned,the MENTALITY to be great boxers. To be an atg MENTALITY is the first requirement.
I mean you can feed a footballer all the best steroids,supplements,weights,boxing skills et al,but his mentality is what is going to make him good,not the training protocol per se.
Finally,i dont see how you can beat regular quality fighting as a way of becoming great,thats why some of the old timers like greb,robinson etc where MILES ahead of the modern lot.

 

yes they do all those things and more

 

They can,but they dont always,it depends on the individual.
But still,dont worry john garfield,even with all these drugs and technology not one modern guy comes close to robinson,greb,etc....
Its a question of mentality.

 

Well, it's impossible to know what potions and pills the fighters might be taking. Since most of the stuff is banned, the latest stuff is always secret. But, I'd say ....

Punch harder ..... yes, there are definitely drugs that will likely add something extra to the punch of a fighter. Those drugs would benefit the vast majority of those who try them.

take a shot better ...... I doubt there's anything that will make much difference.

react quicker .... .. well, some drugs can heighten awareness and focus concentration. Whether this would necessarily help an already-great fighter is doubtful. Also, such drugs would likely have side-effects, they'd be "mind ****s", for want of a better expression.

 

No, you've presented nothing that is even close to logic. Just some biased observations that fit your world view, and then as you've lurched around blindly from point to point you've tried to put these opinions up as facts and then use the word logic like you know what it means.

Go to any gym and talk to the body builders. Guys who only want to put on muscle - nothing else. These guys don't go near cardio and they struggle to put on 7 lbs by basically eating, sleeping and lifting...

I exercise extensively and have the ear of a number of professional trainers and sportsmen. So what does that prove? That you've made another stab in the dark and missed.

 

See this bothers me...

These speed demons are all from the past 30 years. If these athletes aren't on something then how is that possible?

You've got to accept that if people are getting faster it has to be for artificial reasons. There is no other possible conclusion.